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please make some cuts so you are not grossly outnumbering every single other owner
Octane Twisted on
October 29, 2018 12:56 PM
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torpedoes, your argument about what i -might- have done has no legs. as an active owner, ive always made all required cuts within 24 hours, and i would have done so had i won auctions the last day of the season. insinuating that i was going to hoard and cheat, i frankly find that insulting. i could have easily cut the 15 guys that i had put up for auction, as i had the dollars to do so. your roundabout way of trying to accuse me, instead of just being a play fair commissioner is some bullshit.
Octane Twisted on
October 29, 2018 12:54 PM
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Evil, That is exactly what I'm requesting a vote on. You either agree with what happened or you don't. It's simple...
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Correct me if I am wrong, Killer, but my understanding is that we are requesting a vote on the following grey area of the rule: All teams must be in a valid state on the final day of the season. If a team wins an auction that puts the team into an invalid state on the last day of the season they must correct this, or the commissioner will have the authority to remove the player that has put their team in an invalid state.
The Keymasters on
October 29, 2018 10:21 AM
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Speaking of Commissioner power, please be reminded that there is a little over two weeks remaining in Arbitration--a process in which every team is expected to participate. If you fail to do so without offering any reason, I will take that as notification of your intent to not return and will vacate your team in order to find new ownership before mandatory roster cuts.
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What, exactly, is "this" that you are proposing, Killer? It is important, if we are setting a precedent for Commissioner powers, that we define exactly what the rule is that we are implementing.
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A vote is simple, give everyone 72 hours to vote and we can stop going back and forth. If you abstain from voting then your vote doesn't count. Only the votes placed on this forum will be counted. (I vote against)
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I have no problem allowing what you did to stand (Even though I don't agree) because Ottoneu allows for it to take place. I think it's simple, we take a vote. You vote for this to be allowed in the future or we vote against (if anybody who does this in the future then the commissioner will have the power to remove those players). Consequently, if we vote to be against then Torpedoes removes all the players added on the last day.
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Either we are going to strictly follow the Ottoneu website mechanism, playing by whatever means are “regulated by the powers at Ottoneu” or we are going to make league-specific adjustments that will establish $100 Old School Hardball as a league of the highest repute by developing our own modified rules to prevent warehousing players, tanking, and any other issues that may undermine the integrity of competition. You can’t have it both ways, so what’s it gonna be, boys?
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If I said to Elefantes and MasterBatters, “It seems that you have violated the spirit of a grey area in the Ottoneu rules, you should immediately release a bunch of players,” what would the response have been? Clearly we are dealing with something far greater than how many players I have on my roster. Of course I will be forced to make numerous cuts at some point. The only question is the timing. Do we really want to set a precedent of granting the Commissioner the power to dictate roster cu
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Because Elefantes has complained that I “stole his players,” his complaints of a rule “violation” certainly ring hollow. Similarly, MasterBatters is on record as stating that we should be able to play in any manner so long as it is explicitly “regulated by the powers at Ottoneu.” In fact, consider what might have transpired if I had not placed a bid on any of these players, and instead attempted to address this situation as Commissioner...
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All I did was place bids in this rather dubious auction flurry high enough to make the players not desirable keepers for whoever got them. If the bids by Elefantes and MasterBatters were fair market value, then my winning bids are at least $1 over fair market value, thus leaving their true utility to me doubtful at best. The fact that the other nine teams in the league felt not a single player was worth a bid of any amount clearly shows their relative value compared to already rostered players.
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Okay, before this warped perspective becomes any more twisted, we better review some facts. FACT: Elefantes started 15 player auctions to culminate on the season’s final day. Why would he do that other than an attempt to do exactly what I am now accused of? FACT: MasterBatters likewise bid on several of these same players, ostensibly with the same design. Short of any reasonable explanation, they obviously didn’t feel it was any kind of rule “violation” until they got beat at their own g
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I am technically over the roster limits, but I am not allowed to make cuts right now. This is how ottoneu works in the off-season. I am only over roster limits due to the DL; however, Ottoneu never intended on teams cutting DL players before the off-season. So being over roster limits is not an issue. The issue is intentionally gathering players to thwart the system. Now we can vote so everyone has this option to do so next year, but that should be established now (I'm against).
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Look if you did it to protect the league then kudos's, but you should still make the cuts now. The bids made by cienfuegos and Masterbatters on the last day were not illegal. In fact, you having the players on your roster now is not illegal by Ottoneu's end of season standards (if anyone disagrees then read the forums); however, it is definitely a grey area, but the league has spoken on how we should treat this. Just cut all the players you picked up on the last day and be done with this.
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i dont think anyone needs you to protect the league pro actively on player acquisition. you might not be aware, but your commissioner tools allow you to cut players if needed during situations where hoarding is involved. unfortunately for the rest of the league, and at least 5 owners that have mentioned being upset with your antics, we can't do anything when the commissioner is the one hoarding
Octane Twisted on
October 25, 2018 11:27 PM
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you're a special kind of crazy, torpedoes
Octane Twisted on
October 25, 2018 11:22 PM
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everyone that bid and lost an auction this season please announce the players you intend to cut so torpedoes can get on with his cuts
Octane Twisted on
October 25, 2018 11:21 PM
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Elephantes has not broken any rules, not over the roster requirements, and doesn't need to announce any players to cut at this time. Nor do I. You, however, are over the roster limit requirements, and you are being told by this league to make your cuts. If you choose to not follow this request, I would like to formally ask you to step away from the Commish duties in this league. I would like to know if any other owners feel this way as well and if any other owners would request this also.
Las Piranhas on
October 25, 2018 10:46 PM
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Any owner can low bid at any time they would like. It's an owners choice of the amount they value or choose to bid. Another owner can always bid more for a player if they like and then it would be no low bid. There's actually no such thing as a low bid. The value is determined by the outcome of the auction. Surely this can't be this complicated to you. You don't get to dictate how this works. Many league members have requested that you make your cuts. Your option is to do it now.
Las Piranhas on
October 25, 2018 10:40 PM
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Once again Torpedoes, you make absolutely no sense. What in the hell are you talking about? You have 56 of 42 allowed players on your team. You need to cut 14 players to get to your allowed 42 players(2 over due to 60 Day DL). Actually, you, Harpers, and Killer Bees all need to make cuts. Low bids has no relevance at all to your cuts that are needed to follow the rules in place. If the low bids caused the rosters to be over the allowed limit, then low bid players would need to be cut.
Las Piranhas on
October 25, 2018 10:34 PM
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You are being accused because you are keeping the players.
So let me get this straight. You will cut the players you picked up if you can punish Elefantes and master batters?
If that is the case, holy crap, torpedos, just cut the damn players so we can move on.
Carver High on
October 25, 2018 8:52 PM
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In fact, as a show of good faith, since Master Batters also made several low-ball bids on the final day auctions, no doubt to warehouse players as I am now accused, I will cut a player to match any cuts either Elephantes or MB would like to make. Just announce who you guys would like to drop and I will see that it gets done. But enough with the two faced accusations.
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Master Batters, you are spreading fake news. All I am trying to do is make this a great league in which everyone is driven to compete every day with the highest level of integrity. Unfortunately, I can only do so much. I am still waiting for Elephantes to announce which players they would like to cut in accordance with the low-ball bids placed on the ridiculously high number of final-day auctions they started. As I said, I will gladly remove a like number of players to match.
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And I do not accept that this league has to lose owners or I just leave myself because the Commish wants to pull against the league. Do your duty as Commish or you can always step down if you don't want to accept the duties that is expected as Commish.
Las Piranhas on
October 20, 2018 4:10 PM
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Perhaps you should consider dropping down to owner if you are unwilling to follow and enforce rules set forth. Especially, with your own team. I like that your competitive and have no issues with you presenting ideas. Just, I personally expect the Commish to keep rules enforced even if it is not your personal preference. I'm tired of the drama.
Las Piranhas on
October 20, 2018 4:08 PM
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Torpedoes- It really would be great if you would take on the duties expected of a Commish and follow the rules that ARE currently and clearly set forth in this league. You always choose to be controversial, argue, and debate instead. I'm getting exhausted with having a leader of the league that doesn't follow the rules. There are numerous owners that have requested that you cut your roster and follow the rules. You have failed to comply.
Las Piranhas on
October 20, 2018 4:03 PM
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In fact, I got lambasted last season for supposed "dumping". My ability to compete and win this season was directly influenced by my decision to make the trades that I did. That's why we are in a DYNASTY league. If you don't like those types of deals, stick to redraft leagues.
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As for the rest of what you brought up, that's all opinion based. We don't have the ability to cut players once the season ends and have to wait until arbitration, even then, as someone pointed out there is no salary cap until the keeper deadline. There is a veto system in place, regardless of your personal thoughts on it's effectiveness. Most people have made it pretty clear that tanking is a legitimate strategy and they can run their team however they see fit.
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I'm not sure what all that has to do with the issue in question. If you did it to protect the league, then you should be applauded. However, you should also cut them. If you don't, then you should be called out. If you did it to keep the players for yourself, then just own up to it and say "it's not illegal, and I can do what I want." But you can't claim to be protecting the integrity of the league and then NOT drop the players in question. That's called hypocrisy.
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excessive. By the way here is the offseason rule for roster and salary cap.
c. Owners must always be able to field a 40 man roster for $400; therefore following the keeper deadline, a team salary must never exceed $360 + the number of players on the roster. However, there is no salary cap from the end of the MLB season until the keeper deadline.
Carver High on
October 15, 2018 4:02 PM
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Commish you are so full of crap. Did you see this as your way to try and bring back talking about getting "your rules" put in place. Putting in bids of $30 isn't accidentally picking up players. If you did it to keep the integrity of the league then fine, cut those SAME players and we are all good. You did your job as commish. Why do I have a feeling that isn't happening. With that said what was done is not necessarily against the rules, but having that many players over 40 is pr
Carver High on
October 15, 2018 3:59 PM
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Essential to the game, it was also fun. I also inherited a team that was very poorly constructed. No pitchers, absolutely no closers. I wasn't going to risk another year being mediocre without taking a chance. Besides even with teams doing so, we had a hell of competition to end the year. Plus, FYI I still started players and still tried to pull out the wins category with my pitchers, to screw up the top. I have some other ideas, but I'll post again tomorrow. It's late here.
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I agree with everything you're saying except for the sacrificing talent for prospects on a dead season. I believe it's essential to maintaining a competitive balance. It's happens in real life and this game is essentially trying its best to simulate the actual game. For instance, I made an announcement when I was pulling the plug and gave every team an opportunity to take some of my top tier players. It's up to the contenders or fringe teams to offer the best packages. Not only is essentia...
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In the meantime, as a goodwill gesture I will gladly sort through all these players and begin paring down my roster immediately. In order to ensure that everyone is competing with integrity, however, it seems to make sense that Elephantes should cut all of the players he intended to get rid of when he started final-day auctions with lowball bids for 15 players. For every player Elephantes cuts I will gladly match it with one of the players I inadvertently acquired.
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Now, if we want to discuss how to best raise the integrity of competing in this league, I am all for it and would love to have every member of $100 OLD SCHOOL HARDBALL contribute in constructing our own league-specific structure that encourages year-round integrity of competition. It really makes for a much more fun and challenging game than the current give-up-and-dump environment.
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Yet when I proposed addressing this last offseason with incentives to keep all teams competing honestly, even as they look to the future, I was essentially shouted down with assertions that (paraphrasing) “we should be able to do whatever we can get away with under the Ottoneu structure until/unless it is mandated by Ottoneu.” Accordingly, in this instance my lineup was effectively frozen by Ottoneu on the final day, as well as the “bonus” game 163 day, just as the Ottoneu mechanism dict
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Finally, there is no greater threat to the integrity of the competition than when teams give up on the current season and engage in dump trades, giving away expensive talent accompanied by substantial “loans” in exchange for “future hope” in the form of prospects. With no mechanism for regulating this activity, the balance of power may hang on the whims of a tanking owner up until the ridiculously late August 31 trade deadline, creating an environment ripe for corruption and collusion.
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As Bumpkins pointed out, the rules state “At NO time should a team willingly go over roster and salary cap limits. If a team knowingly does this, they will face penalties at the discretion of their league’s commissioner.” Even with 14 more players than eligible spots, I rank only a distant third in exceeding the salary cap. Should we mandate that every team immediately make cuts to get below the $400 salary cap before arbitration concludes?
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As it stands, nine other teams will be in violation of the 40-man limit once 60-day DL players are reinstated by MLB. Should all teams be forced to immediately cut players at that time? While we are on the topic of integrity, perhaps we should address the fact that all “loans” expire at the conclusion of the season. We currently have 8 teams over the $400 salary cap following Ottoneu salary increases.
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I certainly did not intend to end up with this many players. If teams were truly making honest bids for players they thought might help them compete on the final day, I would have been outbid on at least a few of them, or at least wound up paying sky-high prices that would make this a non-issue, but sure enough, it appears the intent was only to stockpile players on the cheap to warehouse for the offseason.
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When I saw that an absurd number of player auctions had tactically been initiated to expire within hours of the start time of the season’s final games, I felt it was my duty as commissioner to price-enforce by placing appropriate bids that would ensure nobody was loading up their roster for the offseason with a multitude of additional cheap players, however marginal they might be.
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My apologies for the delay in addressing the final-day auction flurry. There seems to be some confusion and misrepresentation of what took place, so please allow me to break it down. I did not initiate a single final-day auction. In fact, they all appear to have been started by the owner who is curiously complaining about being “cheated out of players at the end of the season.” How could one be “cheated out of players” unless he was attempting to do precisely what I am now accused of?
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Yeah, after reading all of the rules again, I realized what he did was technically legal. Our commish is the SEC of our league, stretching the rules to the very edge. Lol. If you look at his past, he doesn't trade, so he found a way to stock pile his own players that he can sift through over the offseason. If he feels like he is doing the right thing (which he clearly does) then whatever I will roll with it. BUT make no mistake about it, it is clearly an advantage.
Carver High on
October 15, 2018 9:01 AM
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Read from the bottom up...Forgive me for all the typing errors, but I was in a hurry.
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Now I agree that what the commish did was somewhat gregarious, but it's not technically illegal because the game allows it. I am also not entirely convinced it helps him out. My only argument is that most of us thought it was illegal and therefore did not partake leading to an advantage. So while I don't like it and believe Ottoneu should make restrictions. I would prefer that we has a league prevent this moving forward, but we would have to do it on our own and police ourselves.
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This is also the statement made by Nivshah within that same thread:
"It’s totally fine if you’ve been grabbing players end of season, but ottoneu Fantasy Baseball would be better off if people couldn’t just spam auctions on the last day of the season. It undermines the market principles of the game."
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I agree something should be said, especially with arbitration starting today, but we are talking about a grey area in Ottoneu. Their have been thread about this in the past with no clarifications of what could be done. Many arguing for and against. Niv himself is against but it's technically legal. I'll attach the thread here...https://community.ottoneu.com/t/cracking-down-on-illegal-lineups-in-2017/604/57
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NICE STATEMENT COMMISH. im not sure i enjoy playing in a league where the commish can't timely handle matters, let alone cheat me out of players at the end of the season
Octane Twisted on
October 14, 2018 11:27 PM
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Hey all, hope you're doing well, just a reminder that Arbitration is coming up. Last season we had several teams that did not participate. If you don't plan on sticking around next season, please make the team available before arbitration ends. It's an important part of Ottoneu to make sure the league holds it's integrity.
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