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Don't the loans disappear at the end of season (in or out)?
Boo Birds on
March 16, 2023 3:11 PM
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Interesting idea. Might slow it down some. Many of the acquired players by the contenders are planned cuts but some are not
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Another suggestion I've heard is a rule that teams be under $400 by the time of arbitration (instead of Jan 31). That would remove the huge benefit of being able to trade your excess salary players during the Winter for cheaper players for the following year. It would discourage building $600+ rosters if you knew the benefit would end with the season while the cheaper players you had traded away would be lost.
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Wham Bam there is no rule that you can't trade or participate in auctions/waivers if you are over $400. You only can't participate if you are over your salary cap (which can be increased by incoming loans) or have more players than roster spots.
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That was surplus “for” studs and one “month” to go. Sorry for typos. An additional consideration is any league rules make teams ineligible for opl which squirrels is doing. Of course, this year must go “as is”. Only future years should be considered for change.
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Unlimited with a months to go before the deadline. Some kind of construct like that keeps the strategy but doesn’t kill everybody’s hopes in spring training
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I couldn’t get support for my idea a few years ago in a different league but my base assumption was that the basic concept of trades with high surplus value players from contenders but larger salaried “studs” is a core ottoneu strategy and not the problem. What people seem to hate is the timing. When it happens before opening day like here, all hope is extinguished before the first pitch is thrown. I suggested a cap of $450 through April 30 then $500 another month down the road and finally
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I'm still new to Ottoneu, so my thoughts don't have much knowledge behind them. But I appreciate that all budgets are reset to $400 at the start of the next year. I think it helps keep a baseline of simplicity when there are a number of other balancing mechanics.
I wouldn't be opposed to a hard cap, or even a hard floor. Maybe a valid budget has to be $300-500. That could lead to deeper trade talks as well, giving another factor to consider.
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Isn't the rule clear, that if you are over 400$, you can't trade and participate in auctions/waivers. If a team can carry 608$ all year without being penalized, what's the use of putting rules in place. The luxury tax won,t fix anything IMO
Boo Birds on
March 16, 2023 2:34 PM
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I do agree that would be unfair to retroactively enforce for this year
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Even as a team who currently will have $608 in salary cap before the season starts I am not completely opposed to something like this. I think your suggestion is probably too harsh, maybe more along the lines of $1 penalty for every $5 over $500? With arbitration and salary increases there is already measures in place to keep the league balanced, and by going for it this year Walnut and I have traded away a lot of guys with surplus value that will hurt our ability to contend again next year.
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My team has a clear bias for said rule, but do think a luxury tax makes sense if the league will just be 2-3 550 dollar teams each year.
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I think us small market teams should get a piece of the tax 🤣🤣. Some sort of luxury tax would need to be thought out
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I really dislike the baseball media and large market East Coast teams in general, in particular I hate the Mets. So there is a silver lining in all of this for me.
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I wonder if we should put in a salary cap rule similar to MLB. Like a soft cap, for example for every $1 a team that is over $500 there is a $.50 cap penalty the next year and over $600 a cap penalty of $1 for every $1 over $600. I jest of course...... or am I?
BTW, any rule change, we would need 8 affirmative votes. I don't believe in a simple majority in rule changes.
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Wow, that's devastating. What a freak thing, I'm going to miss the trumpets.
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Edwin DĂaz torn patellar tendon, out for season. That sucks... one of the funnest pitchers to watch in the game right now. Mets need to start keeping their players in padded rooms.
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Looks like I might have to concede this year, maybe I’ll dump my best players to Tumbleweed.
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Edwin DĂaz hurt celebrating win over the Dominican Republic. Does not look good.
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Joc Pederson Israel?
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I am not familiar with the World Cup but below is hysterical:
“ The player presents documentary evidence satisfactory to WBCI that he would be granted citizenship or a passport in due course under the laws of the Federation Team’s country or territory (excluding any requirement of the Federation Team’s country that the player would need to renounce his current citizenship), if he were to apply for such citizenship or passport.”
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The rules for country representation are actually more strict for the WBC than they are for the world cup. I really don't see the problem.
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I support players choices. But Larry Nootbar is from California and Vinnie P is from Virginia. They should just let countries win or lose or call it something else.
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Yeah that doesn't bother me at all. It gives other countries better players that they can root for which helps give baseball more world exposure.
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That's a valid criticism. Heritage is easy to quantify, but the connection people have to their history is harder to measure. I think this year was the first time Vinnie P. had been in Italy, and it was just his grandfather that qualified him. Nootbaar has never lived in Japan, but half of his family does.
It's the rule of cool for me. I just think it's fun, so I don't mind how lax it is to qualify for a team. I do wish the USA team was better represented, at least on the pitching s
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Regarding the WBC, I think it is way overhyped, players play for countries that they have third removed connections to, sometimes less.
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Not to mention Frankie Montas, Severino...., I think that there is at least a 50% Rodon will end up with season ending Tj.
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Maybe just being cautious but how often does Forearm strain/tightness not end in TJ?
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I think they are just being cautious with 162 million guaranteed
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The Yankees can't catch a break with their starters. The Curse of Jordan Montgomery, otherwise known as the foolish gambit of trading SP depth.
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Rodon with a forearm strain going to the IL. 50/50 chance for TJ?
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Yordan swings the bat so hard his hands warp under the momentum. Every day I wake up and say a little prayer that he'll be okay.
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We are winning the flex player race!
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Yeah and 4 of your top 5 most expensive hitters are Correa, Bryant, Buxton, and Anderson. Walnut has deGrom as his ace (yeah yeah he's got Ohtani too) and has Suzuki already injured, Lowe as his second baseman...
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Musgrove broken toe, Guerreo with knee inflammation because he is so bleeping fat.
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I am willing to trade Glasnow for some win now guys from teams that are rebuilding. I know my team is the cheapest and my bats look pedestrian….. but am still in reload mode.
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Walnut Hill and Squirrels already had separation from the field and they are growing the gap. If you want to join the arms race, Trout/Bieber others available here. I'm in the longshot category but willing to move to rebuild now with the right offers.
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Yeah we've been trying to load up for sure. Kinda fun doing the auction so early giving more time to make moves pre-season. My total "payroll" will still be under $420 and Squirrels is already over $530 so I got some work to do acquiring more higher $ win now pieces to catch him there. But I agree things should be very close and do not at all think this is just a two team race, could be a handful in close contention the way things stand now.
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I am winning the arms race and Walnut Hill is winning the bats race (by quite a bit). Unfortunately, I think his team still has the edge right now overall but man is it close! Not calling it a two team race before the season has even started either, definitely paths to other teams beating both of us.
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I'm enjoying the arms (and bats) race between Flying Squirrels and Walnut Hill.
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What!? Why??
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WBC annoys the hell out of me.
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Can it be opening day already? Although looking forward to the WBC as well.
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I love the name update, Racob Cronengirth. Hilarious with that bit of news.
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Hope you found an extra 1,000 points for me. Too far away to be a threat, too close to throw in the towel. Not my favorite place to be waffling on strategy for the year!
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I updated my points using Rotowire's projections and came up with 18,249, pretty darn close to your projections.
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Yes getting max innings and games is a pretty huge assumption, but is good for comparison. My pitching projection is pretty rough as well because you can't account for picking and choosing matchups or how many RP innings people will manage to get, etc. If I remember I'll do an update right before opening day once all the Spring Training injuries have happened and more roster decisions have been made that could clear up some projections for games started and innings pitched.
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I’m already 2 spots better than last year lol! I will say I think only 1-2 teams had 1500 innings 162 games and certainly not all with starters at full health!
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Thanks for sending those out -- now everyone has their bulleting board material! We can be just like the pros and talk about how "nobody believed in us" and "we proved them all wrong." Ottoneu really is immersive!
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Walnut Hill Bluestockings: 19,261
Flying Squirrels: 18,906
Winnetka Twins: 18,371
Spa Legacy: 18,011
Tumbleweed Futures: 17,939
Exeter Velos: 17,809
Montreal Repos: 17,316
Rake Cronengirth: 17,251
Devon Teflon: 16,794
Wreckers: 16,416
Wham Bam Goodbye Sam: 16,030
PickOff Picks: 15,164
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