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Sometimes things that seem logical actually aren’t. But you seem to want an intuitively—not logically—satisfying solution anyway. That’s fine, call the same thing by different names based on a post hoc assessment of context, but don’t pretend that’s a logical consequence. What you’ll learn by doing this is beyond me.
BatGPT on
June 8, 2019 1:07 PM
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Perhaps the new 3 batter rule will effect things in fantasy as well in regards to rp. A hold will have to be more earned in a sense.
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Bat, I completely agree with you. All I'm saying is that if holds are what mlb is going to keep track of, then it seems logical they should also keep track of blown holds and not call a blown hold a blown save... they are different.
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LOOGies can already dominate p/ip: 1/3 of an inning with a K and a hold is 25.4 p/ip. NGB, I think you’re going in the right direction but are on a dead-end road. Rather than worry about an undefinable blown hold, I’d say all these stats—saves, holds, blown saves—are not very useful in telling us anything we want to know. I’m more intrigued by your suggestion of using leverage index somehow to give points to RPs....
BatGPT on
June 8, 2019 10:37 AM
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Errr... can be changed...
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In the miniscule number of cases where there's ambiguity, it can be a scorer's decision just like errors. And like any scorer's decision, change be changed after the game is complete and the scorer checks w/ the manager on intent.
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Back to blown holds, in the vast, vast, majority of cases it is easily apparent whether an RP has been brought in to close out a game or not. When it's not, that's a hold situation.
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So a shutdown closer who consistently throws clean high leverage innings would be a statistical failure?
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Instead of holds and saves, relievers should get credit for inherited-runners-not-allowed-to-score. Some LOOGY would rack up the highest P/IP.
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Yonny Chirinos, 60 points on my bench. Couldn't start him at Red Sox
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Here’s this year’s Ps, sorted by holds, from mlb. We can all decide what “official stat” means in this context. http://mlb.mlb.com/stats/sortable.jsp#elem=%5Bobject+Object%5D&tab_level=child&click_text=Sortable+Player+pitching&game_type='R'&season=2019&season_type=ANY&league_code='MLB'§ionType=sp&statType=pitching&page=1&ts=1559933157430&sortColumn=hld&sortOrder='desc'&extended=1
BatGPT on
June 7, 2019 2:49 PM
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Sorry, I don’t understand this. Holds may not be any “official” statistic, but MLB reports it in their own box scores, and there is an explicit definition that there’s no argument about. Nib isn’t making it up. You’d want the “blown hold” to be as explicit.
BatGPT on
June 7, 2019 2:44 PM
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I don't know about you, but I can look at the Braves game log and tell you exactly how many blown holds each guy in the bullpen has racked up. It's not any more a matter of rocket science than awarding holds is and I don't see anyone arguing with Niv as to how many holds their team is getting credit for.
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...he doesn’t get anyone out but he also doesn’t tie the game, and he gets nothing. So in your alternative, where a pitcher can get a blown hold, how does it happen? Imagine an RP comes in with a 2-run lead and 2 outs in the 8th, and gives up 2 solo HRs that tie the game. Blown save or “blown hold”? Does it matter if he gets pulled then, or just doesn’t come out to start the 9th? What if this happens in the 9th? Only a blown save if there are 2 outs when the game gets tied?
BatGPT on
June 7, 2019 2:00 PM
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How would you define it in a way that’s different from blown save? (And who would be charged with a blown save instead of a blown hold?) Now, when a P enters the game in a save situation, there are 4 results: he finishes the game and earns the save; a run scores that ties the game while he’s pitching and he gets the blown save (he might also get a W or L); he gets at least 1 out but doesn’t finish the game or tie the game and he gets a participation trophy, er, a hold; or he (cont)...
BatGPT on
June 7, 2019 1:54 PM
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Since holds don't exist, why can't we award blown holds that also don't exist?
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Mystery solved!! According to Baseball Reference, the hold is not an official statistic. Officially, holds don't exist. For something that doesn't officially exist, sure gets a lot of play... and a 4-point bonus!!
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But if you don't blow it you get a hold, not a save. There's a disconnect here somewhere.
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No such thing as a “hold situation”—it’s just a save situation, and if you blow it, you’ve blown the save. But I bet the Nats might agree with your conclusion—Doolittle isn’t really the problem, is he?
BatGPT on
June 7, 2019 1:01 PM
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Recently heard a good question, why does a RP get a blown save instead of a blown hold when he fails in a hold situation? A team with a lot of blown saves may not need a closer as much as it may need a good set-up guy if a lot of those blown saves are actually blown holds.
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Kimbrell s strike out rate of 41% , is the highest in baseball history for minimum of 2000 batters faced.
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For Rockies *
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No more 10 game home stand fir Rockues
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Cubs Win ! Bote 7 rbi
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Was hoping for a more pitcher-friendly home park for Kimbrel.
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David Bote !! ( ngb just fell off his chair)
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For those of you watching CUBS game, Dead and Company are not playing next door. That's fog from a nor Easter
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Cubs got Kimbrell
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Cotton-headed ninny-Munc-ins's trade block has been updated!
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wind shifted, conditions favor pitchers @ wrigley
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Mikey's Marauders ☠️ 's trade block has been updated!
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82 degrees sw winds hitters night but not massively
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Slow learners, you would have thought they could advance beyond the Collins and Berger type picks.
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White Sox just drafted biggest bopper in draft; Andrew Vaughn
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More likely that signing indicates Cubs aren't returning to 1st place anytime soon.
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Weird seeing CarGo batting as a Cub. His signing would indicate Zobrist isnt returning anytime soon, and Ian Happ has more work to do at AAA.
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Mikey's Marauders ☠️ 's trade block has been updated!
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Sure bent over backwards to make that last one happen, though
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wow. nicely done fred
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I have officially traded with every team in the league at least once now
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Homebrew Crew 🍺's trade block has been updated!
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Anyways, the movie that one was from is Better off Dead starring John Cussak. Throughout the movie the paperboy demands his 2 dollars
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In the 90s we had a nursery in basement of our office as most the salesguys had that age kids, when Xuxa show came on, even though we had a licensed hired sittter present, all the dads felt compelled to check on their kids for a half hour.
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XUXA was a kids show from Brazil, that had a large amount of middle aged men viewership
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I’ve never heard of xuxa, my daughters made me proud by instinctively mocking Barney as toddlers, and I’m forever confused by Fred’s random pop-culture references and assignments of them to particular people
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Born in the 80s should put you at the perfect age to have watched the Xuxa show.
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Xuxa was hot
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I was born in the 80's so I got nothing
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You were watching Barney in the 80s and maybe Xuxa
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Do you think Hook is the only person that watched movies in the 80's or something?
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