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Arctic Kiwis's trade block has been updated!
2025 Dodgers on
April 22, 2015 4:36 AM
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2 down... so who needs a 1B, I have this Votto guy...
2025 Dodgers on
April 22, 2015 4:34 AM
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Its that and prospect compared to guy that's already up. There are a few guys that I also follow - Eaton's one and Baho knows that I'm after Cobb as well.
2025 Dodgers on
April 22, 2015 1:19 AM
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OK, no offense, I wasn't trying to attack or anything just wanted to hear it from your perspective. I can relate to taking the long view and not worrying about this year, which is what I did the previous 2 years. I guess I value the 3 guys you were asking for from me a lot higher than the 3 guys you got here, but maybe I'm overvaluing my own players, which most owners are guilty of doing. I'll send you a new proposal.
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it's freaking April, they have every chance of providing surplus value. (I'm surprised that you query this when you just backed out of a similar trade that I planned to chain to this) I've tried to make it clear that I took this team on as a rebuild - therefore I drafted assets that could easily trade. The more $ I eat, the better my return.
2025 Dodgers on
April 21, 2015 10:31 PM
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In terms of the deal I'm moving what I consider to be 1 year assets for players that will benefit me in the longer term (similar to our own discussions NxNw). I have made offers to several of you for Votto, Miggy and Harper - mainly looking to acquire cheaper players. Greene's newish CU and change of the strike zone intrigue me. He may be no more than a 3 starter - but for $3 that's undervalued. I also acquire 2 players who are currently "distressed assets" but
2025 Dodgers on
April 21, 2015 10:26 PM
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I don't get it either. Kiwis, do you mind sharing your justification of the deal? I could sort of see it as a salary dump, but when you send all that cash over then its more like a straight swap.
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I'm not protesting it at all ... but, I totally don't understand that trade.
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Arctic Kiwis's trade block has been updated!
2025 Dodgers on
April 21, 2015 6:03 PM
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Arctic Kiwis's trade block has been updated!
2025 Dodgers on
April 17, 2015 7:14 PM
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Penny Whistles & Moon Pies (graphs)'s trade block has been updated!
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Baho's Bravos's trade block has been updated!
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Is it normal for players to disappear from your lineups/live tabs - or will this self-correct? I seem to have lost Jim Johnson?
2025 Dodgers on
April 15, 2015 6:55 PM
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Arctic Kiwis's trade block has been updated!
2025 Dodgers on
April 13, 2015 6:17 PM
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What is up with Trumbo Drop? Keeping me out of 12th!!
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I need RP...make offers
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Arctic Kiwis's trade block has been updated!
2025 Dodgers on
April 4, 2015 10:15 PM
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There's absolutely no difference, it's just there to make things easier for you organize/view your roster.
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I've looked for this in the Ottoneu rules, but I can't find the answer. What is the difference between putting a guy on the bench and in the minors? Is there a bench limit? Can you only pull guys up from the minors a limited number of times in a season?
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If someone wants to use 9% of their total salary this season for the privilege of paying Darvish exactly what he's worth a year from now, I'm not opposed. Which is to say, trading him for nothing sounds like an overpay on the part of the buyer, in my estimation. No objection from me.
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Still considering dumping Yu Darvish, but would rather trade him for little or zero return. What is the league's position on this issue? I'm ok with it because I think that is the privilege of those teams that have the extra cap room (often the least competitive teams in the short term). But if the league is overall opposed to trades for zero then I won't pursue it.
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Shot and a Beer's trade block has been updated!
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If anyone is interested in Elvis Andrus, please let me know
2025 Dodgers on
April 1, 2015 7:27 PM
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BTW, I'm glad the trade went thru. Like I said from the beginning I really didn't care about Rajai Davis, but if something like this happens again in the future we should know where we stand as a league.
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I probably should have voted on my own trade. At the same time I also understand BC's (and others) concern re: nil trades.
2025 Dodgers on
March 22, 2015 1:45 AM
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I probably should have voted on my own trade. At the same time I also understand BC's (and others) concern re: nil trades.
2025 Dodgers on
March 22, 2015 1:38 AM
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I will veto all of Bleacher's trades from now on. Kidding.
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In this case I was a little surprised that there were more votes to reject the trade than approve it but it still went through.
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I was too slow to vote. Saw all the emails but just now finally getting to it. I would have voted in favor. I think there is a reason it isn't prohibited. Sometimes a "cap trade" just makes sense. I've been pondering whether to keep, drop, or trade Yu Darvish. If the whole league wants to vote and outlaw trades for zero return I would go with the will of the majority.
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My two cents is that I get where both of you are coming from. I don't think Bleacher's point is off base, but, in league's like this, I tend to lean toward giving trades the benefit of the doubt. I'm not going to veto this trade, but I think this discussion has put us all on notice about the issue. I have appreciated the dialogue.
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Yeah, don't get me wrong, I really don't care about his particular trade. I just think it sets a bad precedent.
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I voted to approve the trade because it _is_ Rajai Davis. Kiwis wants the guaranteed cap space, Penny wants the player. That seems like value for both sides. I can't say where I'd draw a line, but Rajai Davis is far from it. And when it's crossed, I'll vote to veto and/or pester the LC.
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As for expecting Davis to be picked-up and saving the entire $3, there is a risk involved, where this is a guaranteed savings. Different owners will prefer different choices according to how risk averse they are. Different strokes for different folks, but not objectionable, as you say.
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Ok, Bleacher, but that's my point, if there were no were other incentive for the owner to do so other than to benefit someone else, that is a different type of trade that should be evaluated accordingly. Each transaction should be evaluated on its own merits. This is a win-win for each of us. Your hypothetical is a win for the receiver with no apparent gain to the sender, and would be vetoed. I don't see what the problem is.
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If it were me, I'd cut Rajai because I think someone would pick him up so I save the full $3. That said, I'm not going to veto the trade myself but see what's the result of the vote on the trade.
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? I thought cutting Rajai would cost me $2?
2025 Dodgers on
March 19, 2015 6:12 PM
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My best friend owns He's Due...if he's close and I'm not I'd be happy to 'gift' him a player...trades are supposed to be value for value. Cutting Rajai Davis results in the same $1 cap space as this trade and gives everyone a shot at him. Again...I have zero interest in Davis; I just think these types of trades should not be allowed.
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If someone was out of the race in July, why would they need cap relief right at that moment? At that point they could just hold on and wait to cut him at the end of the season. What the hell are they gonna do with $60 in July when they are out of the race? Again, your example is off base.
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So then where do u draw the line? If I'm outta the race in July and I want to give my friend Kershaw for only cap relief u gonna be ok with that? I don't really care about Rajai Davis, but if you allow this one u really should allow them all which you can't
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This saves me $1. That's my return.
2025 Dodgers on
March 19, 2015 5:08 PM
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It's no different than trading cap space or loans. Moreover, the owner moving the player benefits not only from the cap room, but from the additional roster spot.
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It is not the same at all. There is no cap penalty involved in a trade, which is precisely why people do it. If there was no difference, there would be no incentive to do it, and people would just drop instead.
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A trade for zero return is like a directed waiver claim. If you're gonna drop someone everybody should have a chance to pick him up.
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Penny Whistles, that is how I felt when I saw Ballers start an auction on Michael Saunders, one of my favorite players who I have little use for.
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A pox on your house, Tunas!
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Operation: Trumbo Drop's trade block has been updated!
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March 11, 2015 10:53 PM
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Arctic Kiwis's trade block has been updated!
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