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They moved in the fences a few years back. Since then, Petco is pretty league average as far as park factor goes. Baltimore, weirdly, increases HRs, but nothing else. And Dodger Stadium is bad across the board.
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Although I realize it's somewhat of a moral quandry to equate Rockies players with cheaters.
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Brew, I think if guys who for sure benefited from steroids like Bonds and Clemens are one day viewed as guys who should get into HoF anyway, then I think Rockies players who benefited from the performance enhancing ballpark should also get into HoF anyway.
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And if it is completely irrelevant, then why did Kloobs put him on the market in a NY minute once he signed to play in SD?
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Btw, ngb, do you feel Andres Gallarage should be in HOF ? El Gato Grande ! One of my favorites ever
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When i think of huge Coors benefit to career, immediatly think Vinny Castilla and Ian Stewert
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So, is everyone out there in complete agreement that Manny's career home/road splits are completely irrelevant to guessing what SD may have purchased?
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Bat, Jr. played 843 games in Cincy, wouldn't surprise me if his entire career home/road split came from those games. Also, I don't think I ever said home/road split should keep anyone out of HoF, even though there's a good chance it has kept Larry Walker out and will keep Helton out (if his career number are otherwise good enough).
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SD is paying him as if he's going to be the #1 guy in all of baseball, not just at his position.
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To be a Top-5 OPS 3B Manny will have to put up an OPS of at least .925 (based on last season anyway). Who's taking the over on that, not me. Do you pay $30M/yr for anything less than a Top-5 guy at his position?
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That’s it, we need to get Junior out of the HoF! Career home/road split of 118 points of OPS—obviously, he was entirely a creation of the tremendous hitting environment in Seattle! Also, anyone have any idea if past home-road split is actually predictive (outside Denver)? Manny had a big split in 2017 and 2018, not so much in 2016. Was something different then? Or might there be some randomness here?
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Sheffield was as big a tool as Machado. If you recall ,publicly admitting comitting errors on purpose
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I guess another way to look at it, is if Steamer type projections are showing 26-28 HRs for Franmil playing in SD, then Manny's probably good for 30+ and at least an .850 OPS.
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Same dead air at night for all 3 nl california teams
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Brew, Not sure, but I suspect 1992-93 Sheffield played in a different stadium than Manny will play in. Without checking, don't know if that works in favor or against your proposed comparison.
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What cant be measured is whats between the ears. Will he benefit by more laid back crowds and media in SD ? I believe Puig will love being the man and playing in front of packed engaged fans in nl central.
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Sheffield would have been better to cite than Adrian.
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And keep in mind, .825 OPS for Manny in SD might be quite good. His career away OPS in AL is .762.
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No, i wasnt. Just SD as a whole , i didnt differentiate
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Unless, of course, you're suggesting that Manny's oppo power is equivalent to Adrian's pull power?
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And Brew... Adrian was LH hitter, Manny isn't, you're comparing apples to oranges.
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Last season, an .825 OPS at 3B for players with at least 400 PAs would have been 14th best... so in a 30-team mlb, that's solidly middle of the pack.
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What I'm saying is that I think it's within the non-comical realm of possibility that the Padres purchased an .825 OPS 3B for $30M/yr.
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Would you say Story's talent transcends parks? If not, why do you say it for Machado? Both player have the same severe park effect in their OPS.
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It would have been better for fantasy owners of Machado if he ended up on white sox
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His talent does transcend parks and such NGB, if you recall Adrian Gonzalez did rather well there for power and average . However , I think your point is he will be less than Baltimore , while still great, just not super great...right?
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Not sure I'm willing to bet on SD's recent past record on evaluating major free agents.
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NGB, i varied off your point, I was looking at Manny Bal vs, SD, while you were speaking of him Bal vs. away in general
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Also, I'm very curious to see how Manny does in SD, I don't think I know how he's going to do. But I sure do think that before we find out how he does... there definitely seems to be risk there... w/ the caveat that SD's behavior seems to indicate they have reason to believe there either isn't any risk or it's tolerably low.
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So collectively, the average effects for RH hitter for Col, SF, Ari, LAD vs effects of Bos, NYY, Tor, TB....obviously more in play than just parks, quality(collectively) of pitching. Without looking , seems they cancel each other out.
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I'd say Toronto and Boston were pretty good away parks, not to mention Yankee stadium and Manny still couldn't come close to what he was doing in Camden Yards.
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what needs to be considered is 36 games away in division, obviously 9 @ rockies . Will NL west parks as an average play better or worse than AL away parks for RH hitters ? Or negilgible?
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To clarify, GM in mlb, not GM in our league.
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Trevor Story's career home/away split is 121 OPS; about the same as Machado's in Baltimore. No GM in the league ever trades for a Rockies's hitter expecting to get Colorado kind of production, why would it be any different when trading for a Camden Yards hitter?
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His career home/away split as primarily an Oriole is 124 OPS, why does 140 seem comical?
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Hell, I'm the one that overreacts to park effects, but even I don't think there's any rational evidence to believe in a 140 OPS difference. That's comical
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Again, I have to assume that SD folks were aware of these numbers, so I also have to assume they had more sophisticated analytics that suggested to them they were getting more than an .825 OPS 3B... which I suspect would be middle of the pack for 3Bs?
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Bat, Don't know what Machado's home/road splits were while wearing a Dodger uniform, but his 2018 Baltimore/Los Angeles splits might be a reasonable first guess at what the Padres have purchased... .315/.273; .387/.338; .575/.487 first number the Baltimore splits, second number the Los Angeles splits, for batting average, on-base average, and slugging percentage respectively. The .963 OPS Baltimore Machado definitely worth $30M/yr; the .825 OPS Los Angeles Machado not so much. IMHO
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New feature - If you go to make someone a trade offer, everyone on their block is highlighted
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Kloober Lang 🥊's trade block has been updated!
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Soroka shut down from throwing for 4-5 days. He is on the block.
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Got two seats for 8/23 , friday 1:20 vs. Nationals. Cindy Sandburg will be there in corncob dress, no panties
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Brent, want to borrow my snow blower?
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Shouldn't a Cubs fan be Rizzo the Rat?
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Okay, when the message board moves to "your favorite muppet character," it must be a sign that it's time for the season to start.
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Beeker was hilarious
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Wacha Wacha wacha
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Nah, im.the swedish cook
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You’re our Fozzie Bear Brew.
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