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The only scenario I can come up with is this - Monster is beating me by 10 pts on Aug. 8. He loses his starting OF Mike Trout. He trades Josh Donaldson at $40 for Christian Yelich at $33. In the time it takes to get a veto together, Yelich has a monster week and now Monster is 80 points ahead of me. . .
It is harder in Otto. But we can't take the veto button off and it really is hurting NO ONE, so this is all just kinda theoretical anyway.
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One other thing, I am the acting commissioner only because the last commissioner had the foresight to give me commissioner power before losing interest in his team. We need to elect a permanent commissioner now that we have the membership set. I am happy to continue if that is what you all choose, but we should have a vote of some sort. As a political science professor, anything else would feel wrong.
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"The dictator is caring, friendly, and magnanimous. Just don't piss him off."--Josef Stalin
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Thanks for the thoughtful reply, Balboni. So, you're saying that we should all feel compelled to veto obvious "dump" trades? For what it's worth, I agree, but I have never heard of that being done in Ottoneu. It feels good to believe that the veto rule somehow gives the proletariat power, but my experience is that rarely does half of the league vote at all, let alone exercise its collective power to block a trade. I say nix it altogether and submit to our friendly dictator. Viva la Mon
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I think the veto is there for a quick way for all teams to stop an unbalanced trade from going through, especially at the deadline. I can think of when it could have been useful. June was a good friend of mine and what if he would have made some uneven trades before leaving? The veto allows the league to block the trade instead of relying on the commish to have to do it and/or organize a vote. In a way, the veto buttons keeps Monster from becoming a dictator; it keeps it a democracy.
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Yeah, all my trades got a veto vote.
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My theory on the vetoed was June from last year. He still had control of his team until just a week or two ago. Are trades still being vetoed?
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Why does Ottoneu even mandate a veto vote? Nobody ever uses it (with enough participation to overrule a trade) that I am aware of. Seriously, can anyone describe what types of trades should be vetoed? Is there any objective basis for using a veto or are we simply supposed to do it based on feelings? Should we be encouraged to veto all trades of owners we don't like? Teams who are ahead of us in the standings?? Owners with too-long hair??? I really don't understand the intention of the mechanism.
Lumber Company on
February 4, 2019 11:36 AM
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Fine with a 24hr trade window, and I can do either 2/8 or 2/10 for a draft day.
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I'm with you Lumber. Unless there is a more serious claim against owners undermining the league, there's no reason for a veto. And if we are vetoing a trade based on that we are also voting to kick people out. But, I don't think Niv gives us an option for a veto-free process yet.
I'm still curious who our one veto happy person is.
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I'm available on the 10th and I also vote in favor of 24-hour window.
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I vote to eliminate the veto system altogether. What are the grounds for vetoing a trade, anyhow? Because you don't like it? Because it helps your opponent??? Can anyone cite the last time a trade was vetoed in Ottoneu? The only thing I can think of that could be considered worthy of veto is apparent collusion, which is obviously a far more egregious act than deserving a simple veto. Anyone who could provide insight on what is a vetoable trade (if there is such a thing) would be much appreciated
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I am fine with 24 hours, but will the league vetoer continue to veto . . .
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I vote in favor of the 24 hour
Crawfords on
February 3, 2019 8:14 PM
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I can certainly do any of the Feb. 8th, 9th, 10th
Crawfords on
February 3, 2019 8:13 PM
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I vote in favour of the 24 hour approval/veto window. Also I am available the 10th as well.
Sub-Zero ISO on
February 3, 2019 7:41 PM
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I prefer the 24 hour trade timelin. 👍
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Balboni can do the 10th.
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Ill work with everyone on the date. But the 10th is cool with me.
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I vote yea for the 24 hour approval time. Alas, I cannot do the 8th, so with Max's prior comment, that may leave just the 10th for next weekend?
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24 hours I'm in favor of. The 8th or 10th I can do for draft dates if that helps everyone out .
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Zod is in favor of the change.
Bluehawks on
February 3, 2019 4:39 PM
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One more note: We have the option of changing the trade approval time period from 48 hours to 24 hours. This is a league setting that cannot be changed once the auction is complete. I am in favor of the shorter waiting period. I propose we make the switch to 24 hours. Please vote in favor, or in opposition, here on the message board. Five votes in opposition defeats the setting change. We will leave the vote open for three days so everyone can chime in. I vote in favor of 24 hours.
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Balking and Maxed, let me know if you can work something out to be available on the dates listed below for each of you respectively. Thanks all!
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Looking over the league Auction polls, we have some options. Option A: Lumber proposed this upcoming weekend. He is not available most weekends. Option B: is if Maxed Out can find a way to participate on one of 2/25, 2/27, 3/4 or 3/6. Option C: is if Balking Dead can find a way to participate on 2/26. Those are the three options that look feasible right now. Can you all weigh in on this upcoming weekend Friday, Feb. 8, Saturday, Feb. 9 and Sunday, Feb. 10 8pm (roughly) Eastern timezone?
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Who is this leagues resident trade veto-er?
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Obviously Not Golfers's trade block has been updated!
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Name TBD's trade block has been updated!
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The Balking Dead's trade block has been updated!
Crawfords on
January 31, 2019 11:52 AM
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Didi and Keuchel are both borderline right now. If anyone has interest.
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Didi and Keuchel are both borderline right now. If anyone has interest.
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Monongahela Monster's trade block has been updated!
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Balboni Sandwich's trade block has been updated!
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Maxed out!!!'s trade block has been updated!
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And since I'm here I'll also look at trade offers on Vladito. Because he seems to be the guy.
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Tuesdays and Thursdays are really the only days that I would be unavailable for the draft.
Crawfords on
January 29, 2019 3:04 PM
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The Balking Dead's trade block has been updated!
Crawfords on
January 29, 2019 2:51 PM
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I'm more than happy to move Bryant pre-draft should anyone want him. If you want him post draft, that's fine too. I suspect I can probably get more in return w/ a loan that way.
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G-PA-B-RUN's trade block has been updated!
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Monongahela Monster's trade block has been updated!
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I can do weekdays also. 7 CT here.
Zac Brown Band on
January 28, 2019 10:44 PM
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Second auction date/time poll:
Based on the early responses, it looks like the selected weekends in the first poll are less than ideal. Let's take a look at some weekdays: https://doodle.com/poll/kkdwimbtbz2pxt8a. Please indicate your availability on poll #2.
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Obviously Not Golfers's trade block has been updated!
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I can do weekdays, no problem. I prefer a 7 CT since I have three kidddos under 8. It might mean a late night, but it works better. I don’t want to throw too many demands out there. I can make most things work, but thought I would start with the ideal.
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Weekends are extremely bad for me this spring. I will do my best to accommodate the group, but may need to be in & out of the draft room if we go on a weekend. Fridays are an absolute no-go, Sat. & Sun. iffy. My apologies, but I would greatly prefer a weeknight. I could do the weekend of Feb. 8-10 if that would be a possibility, but I see the Doodle poll started with the weekend after that.
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Turning our attention to the auction, I set up an initial poll of four consecutive weekends based on last year's preference for weekend nights. Please indicate you availability here: https://doodle.com/poll/8869yz3ght7h8d7b. Hopefully we can find a date that works for everyone here. If not, we can expand to other weekends or weeknights.
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Name TBD's trade block has been updated!
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Oh man. I'm in. I'm going to turn this team around, but damn if there are only like 3 true keeper options on it.
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Si, I'm the new owner. I have four days to do something productive so send over all your generous offers.
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I am happy to announce that we now have a full compliment of owners. The next steps include renewing your team if you have not gotten around to it and setting up an auction date and time. I will send out some options soon. Psyched for the new season to start!
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