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Sounds good. I'm ready for Sports!!! (well, fake sports)
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I'll draft, but I really don't understand. The idea of drafting players today runs in the opposite direction of the concept of a thoughtful long-term league like this. I just don't understand this urgency.
Fame Throwa on
March 15, 2020 1:48 PM
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I’ll be there, drafting as if there is no tomorrow. No need for refunds.
Mr Baseball on
March 15, 2020 1:47 PM
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I understand people's reservations. I think your perspective is legitimate and potentially right. I've made all the points that lay out my reasoning. one additional one is that I like the idea of having something that is not on hold for the next few weeks. if you disagree, I understand. I hope you will at least draft for a round or two today to make it fun. think of it as a mock draft. you'll get a refund.thanks for caring. draft is still on for 2:00.
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I’d vote for another date as well
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I don't quite understand the downside to both sides thing. The season is not starting for a month at least - although pitchers will need time to ramp back up, so even if they call everybody back in a month, they can't start playing that fast. What's the downside to drafting when there's actual information?
Fame Throwa on
March 15, 2020 12:46 PM
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I will commit to commissioning that. my hope is that even if you do not agree that you will draft today. you can draft under protest or with real strong reservations. I will refund or resign or whatever seems appropriate if it obviously turns out poorly. if everyone drafts as well as they can today, then we can at least get in new owners later. if some don't, the league will be unbalanced for the foreseeable. sorry we couldn't all feel equally good about this. but we draft at 2:00. good luck!
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thanks for all the carefully thought through comments. to reiterate, this is all new. we are flying blind. my position is not that scheduling will be difficult. my position is that postponing will not lead to greater competitiveness. I like the idea of us collectively making our best decisions on who to draft today and then corporately figuring out how to amend game-play as new info become available. ottoneu gives us that flexibility. I think we should make use of it. season 9 will be different.
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So, there are several fence-sitters. Personally I do not believe that the season will start before 1 May and possibly later. I strongly feel drafting now is not the right decision. This is a serious league, which is why it is the last remaining of my leagues. I get the point about scheduling, but it seems to me that we can all make a firm commitment to be flexible when eventually a kickoff date for the season will be set and the time for a draft comes around.
Mr Baseball on
March 15, 2020 10:58 AM
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Comish you go above and beyond (best fantasy sports commissioner I’ve seen). No need for refunds by you :) I’ll be ready or find a proxy.
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Very much on the fence and I could go either way. This is obviously all unprecedented and definitely will be a shitshow. I understand it is a pain getting everyone on same page for draft date though, so I definitely understand where the commish is coming from.
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and like it has been said, it seems like there are only downsides either way. but we have to make a decision. my personal bias is that I would rather err in action than by inaction. but I understand that may be a mistake. so if everyone is willing/able to attend and participate in the draft today then I take full responsibility if that ends up being wrong-headed in retrospect and will personally refund your $20 and work in whatever way to reset rosters to keep the league fair, balanced and fun.
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there's no doubt about it, we're in a pickle. This will be the eighth draft this league has had since it was formed, but this is new. About half of the teams here have had the same owner since the beginning. Every year we aim to be among the most competitive leagues in Ottoneu. Most years that's the case. It's always been my goal for every team to have a shot to win every year. that makes it the most fun. I would not draft today if I thought that would be compromised by the current uncertainty.
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Sorry to hear you're not feeling well, wishing you a speedy and full recovery. As for the draft, I'm definitely feeling the ambiguity of all this. Kind of seems like there's only downsides either way. I'm on board whatever gets decided
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Hey I don’t think I have the virus - but definitely woke up at 3am to a virus. If enough people are on the fence I’d vote for choosing a new date closer to the season - selfishly too so Id be able to participate better (but only of course if other people are leaning no)
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Totally agree on a few points. 👍 I suppose one of the reliable things is that the stars get protected in spring. So that's bound to repeat.
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Fair point, but it was literally impossible to anticipate that. The last update I saw posted by SI / via CNN was that MLB sources were anticipating perhaps Memorial Day or June 1 for a reasonable start date. It would be like drafting in December for a regular year. They're more than likely going to have to repeat Spring Training. How many guys got hurt in the last 2 weeks? Now stop training for 1+ months and start over? It's unprecedented. See you at the auction table tomorrow!
Fame Throwa on
March 14, 2020 5:45 PM
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Life in the fantasy world. I think going ahead with the draft helps us keep it in the fantasy realm where we consider the real life potential as fantasy risk. I.e. every player has a bit more risk now, but I already put that risk tag on every SP I drafted. I honestly don't know how to project SP health, so it's all a bit of a gamble. Just so happens, I am a gambling man.
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Wow! So many great points. I will add my two cents, and hopefully not repeat. As much as coronoavirus adds to the up in the air, there is always a bit of that. Injuries (and deaths) can come out of no where. I will say again, only for context the man's life wasn't measured in virtual dollars, that $5 Jose Fernandez dying derailed everything on my fantasy team. Two weeks before John had offered me Clayton Kershaw for him and I had turned it down. Just saying, we always have to adjust for real
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I'm taking off, but I assume we're drafting then? As someone else said, the more I think about this I'm not into drafting right now, but if that's the league decision then I'll make sure to be here. Really looking forward to this league and format, just not aware of a good approach to drafting this weekend when we don't if or when they're going to play. A guy like Blake Snell, for example, I'm not very interested in right now with the elbow. But if they don't play till May 1 or later...
Fame Throwa on
March 14, 2020 4:17 PM
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this is definitely a whole different thing. and yes, we will all be drafting with a bunch of uncertainty. If it eased anyones mind I can screenshot everyone's current roster/draft position/available dollars. And if half the league dies and other half has permanent lung scaring then in a month or so we can collectively decide to just go back to where things are currently at and redraft with all the new knowledge in our pockets.
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Agreed on that last point. If we're drafting, we're drafting, but the amount of uncertainty is such that short of undoing the entire auction in the event of infected players or whatever, it can't really be walked back. We'd just have to draft with the understanding we might be picking players that won't ever be able to take the field this year, just no way to know. I know injuries and such can always happen, but this is a whole different thing.
Fame Throwa on
March 14, 2020 2:48 PM
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Whereas if you knew all this pre-draft you’d pay for another star, or you’d limit your dollars for the corona-infected Ronald Acuña to adjust for diminished value. Just saying: in this case it is kot the freeing up of the dollars that matter. It’s that you cannot use those freed up dollars to replace the player, because comparable are all on everyone else’s roster. And it will just be random luck, because we don’t know who will get infected and when.
Mr Baseball on
March 14, 2020 2:38 PM
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It’s not like I am categorically opposed. If the general feeling is to go ahead, I’ll conform to that decision. Just like to get one more point out just to be able to say ‘I told you so’ in the future (I am not pedantic at all). It matters a lot if your corona infected player is Ronald Acuña Jr that you paid 60 bucks at auction, ir it is Kole Calhoun that cost you 3 virtual dollars. One is irreplaceable post-draft even after a free cut courtesy of the commish, the other is just waiver wire stuff
Mr Baseball on
March 14, 2020 2:35 PM
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I too think that we should go ahead with the draft tomorrow as planned. based on past experience it will be much harder to find a new date that is also available with the Ottoneu universe. we're all drafting kind of blind. this is new territory. but I do think it would mentally feel like a step toward normalcy to at least real draft fake baseball even if real baseball players and lounging at home. if there's vociferous and unquenchable opposition we can take a league vote to decide for reals.
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hi. just wanted to say that any commissioner would be very happy to have this problem: concerned owners stating reasonable positions amid concern over fair-play and overall fun-ness. so a short thanks for you all being so cool.
I hear the concerns about starting too soon and not knowing what we're wading into. as a sort of assurance I'd like to say that as the system gives commissioners god-like control to adjust rosters and team scenarios. so if things go haywire, then I can help amend things
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Yeah think all points are good and will go along with league decides. Just out of curiosity - Comish if someone is ruled out for say a definite long period of time because of the virus, would we have the option to cut him penalty free? (Sort of like we handled pre draft season Enders?). Just curious
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I think everything said is valid, but since we tend to have scheduling conflicts due to the diversity of the group, I think we draft tomorrow and whatever happens with the season, happens.
Schwarfizzles on
March 14, 2020 11:33 AM
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Sorry if this all comes off too strong. You make good and fair points, but as I let them done in this morning I realized I had strong feelings that less me to the opposite conclusion and wanted to voice them
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Personally impacted you in a way that makes it hard/impossible to draft, that would change my view entirely). Once this does finally clear there's going to be a lot of pent up demand to get out and socialize. And we won't be that into spending three hours at a computer.
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That said I'm still in favor of drafting tomorrow mostly for real life considerations. This thing is gonna be tough. My two little kids now have no school or other activities for two weeks, likely longer (which is exhausting). I work with the elderly and as long as I'm well I'll be going to work, likely with extra responsibilities. Nevermind that we or those close to us could be getting sick. Right now none of that has really hit us yet (although anyone please speak up if it has...
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Sounds like your concern is with drafting far out from the start of the actual season, which makes sense. I've never been a fan a drafting in early February for similar reasons.
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There are many many unknowns and I think it is much better to postpone the draft and see how this plays out. I am not saying this with joy. I too love the trading and the expectation, etc. But I would not like to end up having drafted a team full of infected players only to realize that none of them will play for 2-3 months....
Mr Baseball on
March 14, 2020 3:35 AM
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A second Spring Training means new possibilities for season-ending injuries. And what about infected players? How do they recover? Is it quick recovery time or not?
Mr Baseball on
March 14, 2020 3:33 AM
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Then there is talk of shortening the season to maybe around 144 games, instead of 162. You might think this hardly matters, but frankly Ottoneu strategy is different with less games. So I might draft differently if I knew there are going to be less games.
Mr Baseball on
March 14, 2020 3:32 AM
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Whereas I have been looking forward to the draft as much as anyone, I am very ambivalent about doing it this Sunday. The start of the season has been pushed back officially by 2 weeks, but seems more likely a month. There is talk of a second Spring Training. Even a month might be optimistic.
Mr Baseball on
March 14, 2020 3:30 AM
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sounds good to me, looking forward to Sunday
Fame Throwa on
March 14, 2020 1:39 AM
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Lol, love it Dave. No one can take fake baseball away from us!
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I concur. we should draft on Sunday and see how the rest plays out.
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I'm for keeping the draft as well for two reasons. 1. Coordinating schedules is haaaaarrrrdd, and I imagine even in a pandemic people gonna be busy. 2. They can't cancel fake baseball! At least we can add, drop, and trade....
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I still think the draft makes sense, not like we are having a mass gathering for it and the season will happen even if they end up shortening it.
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Now that the season is indefinitely postponed, we still auctioning on Sunday? I'm good to go, I'll be bored without baseball news anyway, but just wanted to make sure.
Fame Throwa on
March 12, 2020 3:39 PM
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One week!
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Yankees are already starting the year off right with tons of injuries - Paxton, Severino, Stanton, Judge!
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Got it on the schedule 👍
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Looking forward to my first auction with you all.
Fame Throwa on
February 15, 2020 3:58 PM
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sounds good!
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👍
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I can lock in 2:00 eastern time on 3/15. suit everyone ok?
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So, we doing earlier than 2PM pacific / 5pm eastern on 3/15? I'm good any time pretty much but need to lock it in before the wife tries to schedule some family ish around that time that day.
Fame Throwa on
February 12, 2020 11:50 PM
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