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Good
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Please understand that if you gamble on the latter happening, and the lockout goes only 29.5 days after our keeper deadline, that means you're stuck.
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We are going to say this: if the lockout is resolved within 30 days from the Global Keeper Deadline, then our deadline will be unchanged (read: you should make your cuts int the next few days.) If it goes longer, we will allow for a small window of penalty-free cuts in a time frame that is appropriate for our draft auction and the start of the season (read: enough time for cuts to be done so that all owners can assess the available player pool and prep for our draft.)
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Reminder: Global Keeper Deadline for the site is 2/15, just five days from now.
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In case you have not checked the top of the page, or are a bit checked out as the labor thing goes on, keeper deadline has been pushed back to 2/15 by Niv across the platform. There's a link at the very top of this page to his discussion on the topic if it is of interest to you.
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I noticed something on my team this AM. I was being charged a cap penalty on four players that I had cut this off-season, which should not occur. I've removed their cap penalty (they are shown as cuts with a (c) in the message board but were not actually cut today). If anyone else is having such issues please advise. I think it's because I cut the four of them during arb, which I reported to Niv at the time and he assured me he would fix but apparently did not.
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Correct.
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The cut date is 1/31 correct?
WTF on
December 23, 2021 9:41 AM
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Welcome to the league slinging stearns.
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Thunderducks has been renewed. I will be changing the name however.
WTF on
December 20, 2021 9:36 AM
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Will renew tomorrow when I have my computer.
WTF on
December 19, 2021 5:52 PM
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Welcome. Please renew for next season prior to making any moves.
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Hi Everyone I just picked up this team.
WTF on
December 19, 2021 4:57 PM
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Happy lockout, all!
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Nice, thank you for that, AC. And a very Happy Thanksgiving to you all!
🍁Votto's RCMP on
November 24, 2021 2:23 PM
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I have a couple days down time over Turkey Day (happy Thanksgiving, an awkward day centered around a meal that's centered around food you won't eat any other day) and am putting together the doc CTI requested for rules change discussions. I have on there so far these things: 1. Arb on prospects, 2. Illegal rosters, 3. 60IL as speculative roster slots, 4. Absentee ownership. Please advise if there are other issues you would like to discuss. Thanks!
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Thanks, appreciate that!
🍁Votto's RCMP on
November 21, 2021 10:57 AM
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CTI I will work on this.
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I feel if we are going to have house rules in this league they should exist in a space other than this message board, for easy reference. So can the commishes set up some kind of shared doc we can all see. Then we can have the proposed rules clearly defined, we can vote on them, and if they are enacted we can move them to a permanent rules space in the doc. Those rules that fail can be archived for future owners to see. Sound good?
🍁Votto's RCMP on
November 20, 2021 5:04 PM
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Not targeting you Chief. Half the league is in illegal state largely due to 60IL stashes losing 60IL status.
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As the new guy, here's my 2 cents on the topic. Getting arb on MiLB prospects is kinda lame as any of us I'm sure could think of at least a few "can't miss" prospects that did not pan out that way. Hell, this was one of the worst years for prospect callups I've ever seen. That being said, it's all within the rules and I've played in many leagues where I was not happy with the way certain rules were set. It's always difficult to make everybody happy in any league but I play by what it
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Sorry to everyone here (esp everyone new) that I’m even engaging on this but these feel like awfully targeted attacks and my only supposed crime was rostering an injured Justin topa, trey wingenter, Matt duffy, Matt strahm, idk who else, not exactly difference makers. In our league the only direct effect was that I didn’t have enough cap remaining to claim a cut gerrit Cole
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As far as OPL (which was the whole reason for my using so many IL slots), I don’t think you get a vote on that, you need to be in top 6 of a given league to qualify. I’m good with whatever solution Niv engineers for OPL for 2022 as he promised he would and I don’t think it merits further vigilante action. I love ottoneu but I don’t love an activist commish and would prefer to play by ottoneu rules and get back to doing trades
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That’s disingenuous at best, everyone was legal at end of season and offseason 60IL designation changes have caused that
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sorry for being redundant.
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It's not 10 prospects or 10 60IL, it's full active rosters w/ a few kiddos and then a bunch of 60IL as speculative plays over the active 40. That's not in the nature of the league rules. Our rosters are supposed to be in a legal state and as mentioned below, most leagues build in rules for that. Niv does not. However, Niv didn't build 40 man rosters, then allow us to IL our guys to remain competitive, so that someone could do an end-around and have a 50-60 man roster.
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Half our league right now is in an illegal state, with more players rostered than roster spots.
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Not 10 IL60 *or* 10 prospects. Rather a few prospects, a full active MLB roster, then some teams have carried 10+ IL players. So they're rocking a full, active 40-man roster then holding a ton of spec plays on 60IL.
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Read the context Chicken. I said, “if you have 30 players using up your games and IP.” That ain’t tanking. 10 injured players or 10 prospects, either way a team thinks those players have value. Like Bender said - this is a solution in search of a problem.
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"It's a team's choice" isn't a reason. Then it would be a team's choice to make a collusive trade, or to slot RP into SP slots, etc. It's a teams choice to tank and not pay attention all year, thus reducing competition for free agents, draftees, etc. This ain't the Libertarian National Convention.
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Not to throw to much out there at once, but another thing the league needs to agree on, and this happens in lots of leagues, is how long can a roster be illegal? I have seen leagues set it at 24 hours or 48 hours, but if there is no limit, things can get heated, especially in August when big names get dropped and people try to make room for their salary.
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I vote no. The distinction isn’t well laid out. I don’t care if you have 10 guys on IL if you have 30 players using up your games and IPs. If we are saying there is an issue with having more than 5 guys on the 60 day IL thus giving a team 45 players on their roster for an entire season, that is a whole other story. Unless I am off here, a player goes on the IL and there is no extra roster spot added. I don’t care, if you have 12 guys on your roster on the IL, that is a team’s choice.
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The nature of 60IL is not to stockpile. We are not meant to have 60 man rosters.
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You have 40 roster spots. Almost half is bench/prospects and that’s for speculative plays not the IL.
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I renewed my team till 2023
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I vote yes on maximum IL of 5
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I vote not to allocate money to prospects starting next year for all the reasons mentionned
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I'm conflicted on this. I think that there a part of me that hates this tactic but CB makes a good point. It's not really any different than stockpiling prospects. The only difference being that it doesn't cost you a roster spot. That is certainly a considerable difference. You're not only allotting salary to a future asset but you spend the roster spot as well. I think the answer is perhaps in the middle. Would be nice to have a limited # of 60 day DL spots so it policed itself.
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You have a budget of $400 right? So if you want to dedicate a substantial portion of that on injured players that’s a choice akin to loading up on prospects, unlikely to benefit you this year but with future upside. If you have budget space to make grabs when others cut TJ pitchers, go for it. Penhook has Sale, Severino, and Clevinger now for cheap after grabbing them at auction. Why limit that ability? Solution in search of a problem. I vote no obviously
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I vote Yes
Pirate Fan on
November 19, 2021 8:49 AM
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I vote yes on the above. Please LMK your thoughts.
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This effectively means that you have a bonus of five roster slots for IL that you could presumably use for speculative roster spots. However, it also means that if you are holding five 60IL players and your ace goes on the shelf for TJS, that you have to dump that ace or one of your speculative plays.
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So then if you have terrible luck and have 9 guys hit the 60IL, you keep them all. If you have 5 guys get injured and hit the IL you must drop one to roster another 60IL player. If you have 7 on the IL and 4 of them are players you picked up while on IL, then you must drop 2 IL players to get down to 5.
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So I'll propose the first one. The IL should be for IL. ie the players in those spots on your roster should be one of the following: 1. A player who was on your roster when he hit the IL. 2. A player you added to your roster while on the IL and who you can reasonably assume will return to play in 60 days or fewer. There will be a cap of five IL slots, with an exception made if and only if all players on the IL meet criteria 1 above.
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I brought this up last summer as a FYI on the board: I'm waiting to hear what Niv's decision is on the issue of using the IL to stack rosters, and last summer I mentioned that the league should take direction from what he decides to do in the mega league. I haven't seen a response on that, but that's something on which I think we should follow his lead.
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What I'd propose is that we bring to the floor new things now, so we can discuss them over the course of a few months, so we can then vote sometime before our next auction draft. That way, prior to the auction we will have discussed changes that will be enacted in a year's time. The 2022 season can be played under current rules, but the owners will be aware of any changes so that they can plan accordingly for 2023 and compete in 2022.
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To make a tangible, large-scale change, I think we need close to unanimous buy-in. We're not a league that started out as a custom one, and everyone except two are now at least 3+ years in this league with several being here since Year One. So the threshold for something like eliminating arb on kids, or restricting the insane nature of loans (talk about mirroring real baseball, no one would ever trade a MVP candidate and pay his salary, that GM would be fired) should need like 10 yes votes IMO
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There's stuff like that that I think should be changed. However, I'm just one person. I signed up under the umbrella rules of this system. As commish I've changed a few things, like that renewal date, because they're practical--no one should be able to grab a team in October, do all the arb voting, make cuts, propose trades, then decide not to pay the $100 in January. That would be dumb, and that Niv allows it is kinda goofy to me.
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Nuke's thoughts about how Otto is manipulated are very good. In the early days, you could put a RP in a SP spot for ++ value. So if you loaded your roster with RP and maxed your IP with higher per-IP pitchers in relief roles you could get an edge. They fixed that, but Niv and the community at large--esp those vocal on Slack and the Otto board--remain staunchly opposed. We had to install our own renewal system because Niv--who says out loud that the season begins at arb--leaves renewals til Jan.
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I'm 100% open to rules changes. Nuke brings up a very salient point, but I disagree on making Otto = "real" baseball, rather I'd like it to be a better version of fantasy baseball. Were Otto real, Mookie and Turner would have left me for Chief Benders, and there would be a big free agent market for mid-career stars annually. Were it real baseball, we'd have organizations of hundreds, not 40. There are dozens of large-scale ways in which Otto is not just like the real world version of t
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