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Yes, there's Coit (who has been here since year one except for a one-year break) and K/9 in the comments below. Plus Snells and I who are the commish of this league and day-one-ers. You're outvoted and outweighed, esp as a newbie here. If you'd like your money back take it up with Niv, and if you'd like to remain in the league we've run for a decade you're welcome to but this year will have no draft, no arb, no salary increases and no prize pool, it is frozen until we get a full season.
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"There are enough people in this league who are long-term owners who don't want..." Have you heard from other owners besides the other commish? Can we put this to a vote before having an extremely unusual set of rules imposed on us?
WTF on
June 23, 2020 9:01 PM
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If your question is what happens if you want out of the league, you should address that with Niv via email.
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Correct. He will roll the portion of our entry fees that goes to our prize pool into 2021. We will be responsible for paying the site-admin fee again prior to 2021.
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If owners in the league collectively decide to not play for prizes this year, is the refund minus admin/site maintenance fees currently an option per Niv? How would that work practically?
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So we are going to err on the side of caution, and we are going to resume this as a money league when it makes sense that we can roster a team with confidence that the team can play a season, outside the usual injury occurrences, and not rush back.
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Imagine we play this season for $100. And part-way through, because Americans are arrogant and stupid, there's a massive outbreak on 6 teams and those teams shut down. Then they do an NBA thing where only 22 teams resume play. And players can opt out. And your best player opts out. That's why we're not playing for money, guys. Someone on here months ago was like "c'mon, let's draft we know what it's gonna be." But we don't know. Not by a longshot.
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There are enough people in this league who are long-term owners who don't want to play their $100 on a 60-game bizzaro season that this will not be a money league in 2020. That's off the table, sorry. I know that's firm, but it has to be. We can't please everyone so we are erring on the conservative side. If anyone is upset about that to the point that they find it a deal-breaker I would suggest you reach out to Niv regarding a refund of your 2020 fee.
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we would not roll the prize money and double the 2021 pool. We would pay only the site maintenance fee for 2021 and move the prize pool portion of our fees from this year to next.
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Yeah definitely against rollover. I think hitter/pitcher and east/central/west value changes would be minor compared to strategic differences of completely punting 2020 and trying to build competitive roster only with a double valued 2021 in mind. Given that we’ve already “bought our teams” for 2020 by paying into Ottoneu I say we roll with it and live out whatever weird reality this season ends up being
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most talented baseball players. There might be a small shift in pitchers v. hitters, but at the end of the day, a manager is going to want the best players who score the most points for your team.
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I don't think a team named "The Gambler" could disagree with Bob. I think this league, as opposed to others I am in that have already drafted, is in better shape to deal with the next two years. Whatever strategy a team thinks works best for a shortened season(s), they would be free to implement. I would suggest maybe a poll of some sort to try and determine the appetite for playing for money this year. My attitude is that teams will still generally wanted the most talented basebal
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I don't agree with rolling over prize money. What if there's a shortened season again next year? Would we roll prize money over to 2022 in order to "preserve the experience?" This is the new experience, let's just play it out.
WTF on
June 23, 2020 10:33 AM
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There would be no prize money this year. Any meaningful baseball in 2020 is not an organic or reasonable fit with the multi-year experience of Ottoneu fantasy baseball and we must manage around that to preserve that experience. We will manage around that as needs arise in the short term. We are open to a throw-away season with an asterisk champ, and are also open to not drafting and playing this year, whatever the league decides.
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I read this as there will be no prize money, but we are drafting this year? If this year means nothing, then why would we draft?
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Ditto.
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I'm all for rolling funds to 2021. Playing this year could be a ton of variance.
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1/ My co-commish and I have a couple announcements based on the current outlook.
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2/ First, there will be no arbitration this year. I have changed our league from a dollar allocation to a vote-off arbitration. At season’s end we will not vote on removing players. there will not be $1/2 salary increases either.
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3/ Second, effective now, you may cut any player without penalty. Please type in chat “Please remove (Player) from (Your Team Name” and Snells or I will handle.
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4/ Third, I emailed Niv and he’s extending the available draft days to 7/15, I will change our draft day to that as a placeholder.
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5/ Last, we need to have a conversation re the season. Both Snells and I are of the opinion that we roll our $100 into 2021, and that we have no prize for 2020, which will be a shortened season that works fairly only for a re-draft league.
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6/ If anyone has a challenge with 5/ above please advise.
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Draft day moved only to set it to the latest date currently possible.
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Any others in here beer drinkers? Any thoughts on doing some regional beer trades?
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Thanks everyone for sharing your thoughts, we will hold for now and see what the future brings. There is a report online that owners have approved a plan for an early July start, which is...well, it's so exciting to hear, I miss sports a hell of a lot and could use the distraction. I hope you are all safe and well and that your families are not too deeply impacted by this.
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I agree with that sentiment.
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I think that waiting is the move. I am eager for some sense of normalcy but I don't think that auctioning without knowing what the season holds makes much sense. In the unlikely event that there is no season at all then what? Do we dump players and manually adjust arb like Arise Chicken stated? I just think that it's best to be patient and see what's decided before auctioning.
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I am fine with waiting. I understand not everyone is okay with the ambiguity. I drafted in most of my other leagues, so the fact we know the basic framework of what the season looks like is/was enough for me. To me, there are a handful of normal platoon players and 5/6th starters that will see their value go up. But in my mind, talent always wins. I say that and someone smarter than me will find a big flaw in my thinking and win easily with the Ryan Yarbough and Scott Scheblers of the league.
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MLB has not yet reached a decision, though, and I think it's fair to say that when they do there will be some kind of modified spring training warm-up for the season that will allow us ample time to draft--and this last part is important to me--with a clear understanding of what the format will be. Nothing is clear now: not NL DH, not # of games, not the Arizona Plan, none of that is clear it's all speculative.
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Agree with Gambler that we know essentially what we’re getting-condensed schedule. Probably requires going with MLB depth instead of prospect heavy bench on our part, both for hitters and pitchers. High variance picks contingent on 2020 changes would be sixth starters/NL DHs. But we already made keeper decisions and paid dues pre-covid, I vote to proceed with the auction
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So I'd like to hold off on our auction until we have at least a little bit of an idea of what the season and schedule will look like.
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There's also the fact of current salaries. If you're holding a stud SP for a high dollar amount and the season is going to start and run, say, only in Arizona and Florida with teams playing a condensed schedule, you should have some sort of clarity on that so you can hedge your P rotation around that. If there's a condensed schedule there will be an optimal way to roster your P. Not knowing what the season will be prevents strategizing based on what the season will be.
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Lacking even the remotest sense of what the 2020 and 2021 seasons will look like, I don't feel too comfortable participating in a draft just for the sake of participating in a draft so we have some kind of activity in the league. I could be convinced otherwise if I'm far in the minority, but I don't think we should proceed unless we have a full-scale (or like 10/12 majority) agreement on what the future looks like in this league, and that our plan is thoughtful and allows flexibility.
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The following season. If that SP is a stud, and I got him for $8 because no one wanted him over $8 for this year, and 2021 will be a full season, I'll have him vastly under market. So we would then have to manipulate the arb system--perhaps so far as to just stripping rosters back to what they are today, same salaries and everything, entering the 2021 auction. I think that's probably the most reasonable approach, but it's one that we would need consensus on.
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I've done a fair bit of thinking on this. I feel like there's too much uncertainty to draft. Here's an example. I pay $15 now for a SP who I think is worth $15 for a shortened season of two months. But then it's two months of doubleheaders 4X/week and they get to 100 games and my $15 SP only pitches in 1 out of of every 8 of his team's games instead of 1/5. I've overpaid. But if I know that's coming and I get the SP for $8 maybe I've hit a good deal. But then there's also...
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Anyone have any thoughts about jumping on zoom for the draft?
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I agree with Nuke. If we do get baseball this year, we kinda know what it will look like - abbreviated compact season, lots of double headers, DH in both leagues, expanded rosters, etc. At this point, let’s do a draft!!!
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Would we still have an auction, even if the season is questionable at that time? I think I'd still like to fill out the roster, maybe even have a chance to make trades even if it's not clear there will be a season. Hope everyone is doing alright.
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Thanks for the update, Commish. Hope everybody is safe and healthy.
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April 20, 2020 10:18 AM
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Pushed auction day to 5/31 because it’s the latest day currently available to select. Hope you are all well.
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Maybe we could open up trading for a week so you can acquire Sale? Look at it this way, this is the best possible year to have pitchers miss? You will probably only lose 81 games not 162 by holding them? As you can tell, I am really trying to make you feel good here . . . Sorry for the bad luck. Stay safe everyone!!!!!
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Does anyone have a top end starter that has gotten TJS this spring? Trying to acquire an entire roster of them. LMK
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BLLB we can still do a Sunday. Let's monitor the start of the season and go from there with a date that works for everyone. Please consider the current day, May 9, to be a placeholder in place of our regularly scheduled day, which passed yesterday. Thanks. Hope everyone is healthy and safe.
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Hello all. DodgeVille is rebranding for 2020 as the Rizzotto Cheese Weasels :) Looking forward to baseball at some point this year. Be safe. RJ & IZZY.
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Can we keep it on a Sunday?
WTF on
March 21, 2020 4:07 PM
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Makes sense to delay it. All's well here and looking forward to the season. Stay safe everyone.
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Sadly...makes sense to do. Seeing other leagues/platforms do it as well. Hope you all are safe and healthy and able to watch old baseball games online.
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That leaves plenty of time for a pitcher's elbow to pop when ramping up for the delayed season start, or for a star player to get COVID-19 and not be able to start the season or any number of strange outcomes. I think it's better to delay the auction than to have to deal later with "Well, I paid $46 for Harper an now he can't start the season" or "Well, I'd have paid $2 for that prospect SP if I knew that Verlander would blow an elbow."
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League: I have changed the draft day to May 9 at the same time. The MLB season has been postponed at least 8 weeks (as of Monday), which puts the start of the season at the earliest at May 11. My personal outlook is that this will go longer and there will be a short warm-up period and that we won't have baseball until mid-June at the earliest.
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