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So I agree with everyone that the trade doesn't make much sense for Streakers, but I've got to ask, why are we complaining? Diamond Girl is getting a hobbled Severino for $26, Streakers is getting less cap space than he would otherwise. I'd prefer that to Streakers getting the full cap space and someone getting a $13 Severino. I guess the people complaining might want the $13 Severino for themselves, but that isn't a good reason to veto a trade IMO.
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This is my first ottoneu league, but I'm pretty sure that's the summary.
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Dang! That sounds way better! So the only risk I have is if no one claims him for the remainder of the season. . . then I'll never get more than the $13.
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Relevant text from rules: "f. If a player passes through waivers, 50% of his salary, rounding up, counts against his previous team's salary cap as a cap penalty, until he is claimed by another team"
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Correct
The deGrims on
April 19, 2019 12:07 PM
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Okay, so I cut Severino and get the $13 penalty. He goes through waivers, no one claims him. Then someone starts an auction for him and gets him for $15 (let's say). Once that other team picks him up off free agency my penalty is gone?
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I'd be shocked if anyone ends up with him at $13. haha. But maybe!
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Yeah. You automatically get $13. You get the other $13 (penalty clears) the second he's put up for auction, right? So I mean it's just giving away money and a player. As for Severino for $13, that's a possibility, but if no one bids higher, then I guess that's his accurate value, right?
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If Severino gets claimed during waivers, or if someone starts a new bidding process after he clears waivers, you would have no penalty for cutting him. There is no point in giving him away unless you are going to gain cap space above his current value. And even then, it's questionable.
The deGrims on
April 19, 2019 12:05 PM
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If someone picks up his half salary after waivers, your cap penalty clears as well.
Diamond Girl on
April 19, 2019 12:04 PM
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Alright, so I'm confused. If I cut Severino, I get a $13 penalty for the rest of the year (unless someone picks up his full salary during waivers), correct?
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It's worth pointing out that this trade ensures that Severino's salary remains at $26, rather than potentially giving someone Severino at $13, which is a huge bargain.
Diamond Girl on
April 19, 2019 12:03 PM
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To be clear, my comment was a response to 7th inning streakers, not to you Arthurian. We are in agreement on this, I think. In any case, I have vetoed this trade (which I very rarely do).
The deGrims on
April 19, 2019 12:01 PM
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Not true. This is a dynasty league, so it is essentially a given that some other team would have put in a claim, or started a new bidding process once he cleared waivers. In other words, you would have received $26 in cap space for cutting him vs. $16 for essentially handing him to another team. And regardless, the point is if you had shopped around for a better offer you could received cap space and at least one player of value in return. As it is, this just looks and smells like collusion.
The deGrims on
April 19, 2019 11:59 AM
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Well my point was the opposite. You're gaining $3 in the 24 hour short term. But you're going to get full $27 relief within a day. There's no way he doesn't get reauctioned for $13 (that's if no one outright claims him in the 24 hours). So why give him away to one team for (essentially) nothing instead of putting him into the pool for a fair fight sort of thing.
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I get it looks like I'm not getting anything in return for Severino, but Arthurian is exactly right. I get more for Severino if I trade him like this than if I just cut him.
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Yes, that's exactly what I did! I offered the same trade to people who had money to spare. I wasn't sure anyone would take it so I was willing to give it to whoever accepted first. Once I sent the trade, I sent a message to let you know it was out there. I guess I could have added that I was giving the same offer to others and that it was first come first serve. Sorry about that part.
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I thought it was a little confusing that the trade was offered up to me (maybe the trade was offered up league wide?) and then ten minutes later the same trade was accepted by Diamond Girl. Was this a first come first served kind of thing?
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Certainly stands out. I mean this trade gets $16 in cap relief. Straight cutting him gets $13 right away and almost certainly the other $13 quickly.
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So, there aren’t many trades that warrant a veto in my opinion, but Luis Severino for nothing in return is definitely one of them.
The deGrims on
April 19, 2019 12:21 AM
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Arthurian Legends's trade block has been updated!
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I have been a Marquez fan since last year and good to see a W for the Rockies along with the fact that he made my grand-daughters first baseball game even more memorable.
@BuntSingles on
April 14, 2019 8:56 PM
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You Rockies fans coming around on German Marquez yet? 1 hit shutout looked pretty good
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Remember this moment all. It's the first time I haven't been in 12th all season. By the time you read this, I may be back there. But for now...11th baby!
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looks like the trade should be resubmitted. i will veto and look for the resubmittal
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Yes and it wasn't helping me at all. Sorry just learning all this stuff.
@BuntSingles on
April 11, 2019 3:54 PM
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Yeah I think you screwed it up. I'm supposed to be giving you money, right?
Diamond Girl on
April 11, 2019 3:39 PM
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Danimal I am reviewing this trade proposal to make sure I did it correctly. I want $6 and because you only have $3 I was willing to do a $3 loan for you. Commish is telling me I screwed it up.
@BuntSingles on
April 11, 2019 3:31 PM
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I wondered about that myself and my brother-in-law pointed me to the Otto rules for some clarity: "x. The lineups page and roster organizer for non-head-to-head leagues allows for 2 catchers for platooning purposes; Ottoneu is not a 2-catcher game."
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Only 162 Games allowed for Catcher Slot? We have two slots, one is useless.
Walk Off on
April 11, 2019 2:25 PM
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Nevermind the Baseballocks's trade block has been updated!
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Arthurian Legends's trade block has been updated!
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Arthurian Legends's trade block has been updated!
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Nevermind the Baseballocks's trade block has been updated!
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Happy Opening Day!!! Nevermind.......sounds like a great day. Will be doing the same next Friday!!!
@BuntSingles on
March 28, 2019 9:48 PM
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Spent the day eating brats (fuck why was I eating brats at 9am? gonna pay for that tomorrow) and drinking reasonably priced tall boys of ice cold domestic beers at Miller Park. Happy opening day, ya'll!
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Happy Opening Day (insert expletive) Faces!!!
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I'll go ahead and start that petition. I wouldn't hold your breath though! LOL! It's hard to wait, but "games" do start Wed if you're into that kind of thing.
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I'd like to petition the commish of our league to move forward the MLB season that it starts sooner. Can we put that to a league vote? :D
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7th Inning Streakers ⚡'s trade block has been updated!
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7th Inning Streakers ⚡'s trade block has been updated!
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Arthurian Legends's trade block has been updated!
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You, You, You Otto Neu's trade block has been updated!
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Bryce 4 Life's trade block has been updated!
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Arthurian Legends's trade block has been updated!
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WAMCO Geckos's trade block has been updated!
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I texted Danimal last night to let him know you were all thinking of him and he frankly thought some of your comments were hilarious. As his sister I probably have the most similar genes of the Danimal but I just express it in a kinder, gentler way.......but it doesn't mean I am not thinking exactly what he would have the balls to say.
@BuntSingles on
March 8, 2019 3:47 PM
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Channeling my inner Danimal (we all have one), "Lets do this fuckin thing!"
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In other news, LESS THAN 24HRS UNTIL THE DRAFT! A couple of things to note, 1) you can access the draft room already and import your watch list if you have one. 2) Friendly reminder, when you nominate a player, try to nominate him at a reasonable dollar value. For example, if you think Arenado is worth $125 nominate him for like $100. That will save us a lot of time because we won't have to "crawl" up to $100 from $0 one dollar at a time. See you all in 19ish hours!
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You guys are hilarious! Danimal made such a strong impression for such a small amount of time with us. Fortunately, I think that's the right word, he's family to some of us, and we get his "tough love" all year round.
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