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I don't want to know how you voted... just that you have voted
Gatekeepers on
June 28, 2018 11:41 AM
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I won't allow it to go through until every manager has confirmed that they have voted one way or the other.
Gatekeepers on
June 28, 2018 11:41 AM
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I need everybody to confirm they have voted on this trade.
Gatekeepers on
June 28, 2018 11:39 AM
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Ok, it should be reposted shortly. Thanks for good dialogue and letting the trade go back up.
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or any revised trade you feel better suits your interests
The Moo Day on
June 27, 2018 5:09 PM
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Voting is anonymous. Freak/Aaron's... Please redo that trade as it was and if everybody can please review it and vote approve or veto
Gatekeepers on
June 27, 2018 5:03 PM
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Ok guys... Back Yards and I have been chatting and we want this to run through proper veto. We should have allowed that to run it's course
Gatekeepers on
June 27, 2018 5:01 PM
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Hahaha
Gatekeepers on
June 27, 2018 4:56 PM
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also reading all these old posts more closely. why you so down on my man dom smith, drake. not a full season in the majors!
The Moo Day on
June 27, 2018 4:45 PM
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Hey Freak. I hear you about the veto from owners. Perhaps I did jump the gun on this... but I do suspect that the veto would have happened either way.
Gatekeepers on
June 27, 2018 4:33 PM
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i personally am open to you attempting the original trade again and seeing if it goes through. drake?
The Moo Day on
June 27, 2018 4:30 PM
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Verdugo is on a tare in AAA and will be up again before this season is over. http://www.rotoworld.com/player/mlb/7967/alex-verdugo
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i'll admit, as this is my/our first dynasty auction league, perhaps our instincts are still geared towards straight up player value. however, when it comes to vetoing trades, i tend to ask the question, "is this conceivably a bad-faith trade?" not that it was, but someone getting a 3$ arenado for the rest of the year at the cost of bo bichette and two other young players is very conceivably a bad-faith trade. however, i do agree that league owners' veto carry much more weight than a co
The Moo Day on
June 27, 2018 4:27 PM
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I actually am in Hammers rebuilding position in another league and traded Harper $66 for Whitley $4 and Luis Urias $5 with the loan and no-one voted against. If you were unaware, there is this Trade Thread posting every trade made in the Otteneu system. It's fun to flip thru occasionally and see what's going down elsewhere. You can even go into see what each teams roster looks like if you wish.
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Verdugo is 5th on that list and already has MLB experience.
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https://www.fangraphs.com/fantasy/top-75-fantasy-hitting-prospects-w-potts-change-santana/
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Also, I thought the Springer trade was great. Chapman and Valezquez are a good future return. I always feel Value is relative rather than absolute. A player is never under or over priced other than in ones opinion. Candy, Bichette, and Burnes. Candy is a sophmore and putting up 5.6 pts per game at the top of Detroit order, Burnes (at AAA) was ranked #27 prospect in Fangraphs recent 131 list and Bichette was just ranked 3rd hitting prospect (ahead of Acuna in 4th!!!) here:
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Those are my thoughts. All said, I am loving this league and the Head to Head with you guys!
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All that being said, I would have preferred that the veto came from owners voting rather than the commish. I appreciate everyone's concern with competitive balance, yet I feel that it would have balanced out by next year through arbitration. I am in otherOtteneu leagues and it is not unheard of right now to see teams with $450+ caps due to laons of this sort. Agian I feel that the system was designed for this. Arbitration and returning overpriced players to next years auction pool balances.
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Greetings, just catching up with this. I was actually regretting giving up what I did to get Nolan on a one year rental. You all would have the ability to raise his salary in arbitration. The $50 is a LOAN and I would have to compensate in the offseason by releasing other players to fit him into next years cap if I wanted to keep him. I don't see how this trade is any different from an MLB trade of the sorts. $$$ doesn't have to equal out, that's what the loan system is designed in for.
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Can everybody revisit the rules and community on the Ottoneu concept of Loans. This would be helpful for the discussion going forward.
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look forward to the revised trade. yes, none of us can take on a $53 arenado on balance. that's not unfair, that's the price you bid for him.
The Moo Day on
June 27, 2018 3:12 PM
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I already have a revised offer into Freak. The $50 difference makes it hard to make any trade.
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sorry, just woke up. agree with drake, and encourage you guys to veto imbalanced trades, the less we have to executive order, the better. IMO, a vetoed trade only temporary, and less harm than a bad trade that gets locked in.
The Moo Day on
June 27, 2018 1:16 PM
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Stir is great! No need to apologise. I'm glad this league is so active with trades and cuts/etc. Its fantastic. I also applaud the risk taking in your trades. I just think this one in particular is very unbalanced. Feel free to rejig and try and get it to work with Freak.
Gatekeepers on
June 27, 2018 11:50 AM
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I am sorry this has caused a stir and a problem. I have been in leagues for over 30 years and trades that involve trading for future talent has always happen. Often without not opening it up to everyone. Which is something I did not do. I give everyone a chance to make an offer. Also, everyone has the option of voting no. Your the commissioner do what you feel is right for the league.
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The Arenado trade is an OBJECTIVELY bad trade, and I believe will negatively impact the league. I don't think age/talent/price is a good argument in favour of trading a generational talent for unproven AA and AAA players who may or may not break into the majors next year.... and actually paying $50 as well. It is too unbalanced. I'm going to disallow that trade in its current form. Feel free to rework/re-jig the deal and make it work, but it can't be super lopsided like that.
Gatekeepers on
June 27, 2018 11:41 AM
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The Springer trade is lopsided, but the guys you got back can help your team this year and next year at a very low cost, so that trade is more of a subjectively bad trade. I think that one squeaks by.
Gatekeepers on
June 27, 2018 11:34 AM
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The Posey for Verdugo trade is totally fair, veteran talent at a scarce position for young prospect. The loan in the Springer trade is what makes it questionable, because Velasquez and Chapman are both decent MLB players. The Arenado trade makes zero sense for you this year, next year, the year after (even if those players make the show). If this was redraft I'd be ok with you shooting yourself in the foot, but as this is dynasty it risks making the league very unbalanced.
Gatekeepers on
June 27, 2018 11:30 AM
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You have agreed to trade away 3 players who last year accumulated 2906 points combined. That is A LOT of value. In return you are getting 3 or 4 ranked prospects who may play in the majors next year or the year after. None of them are projected to be Nolan Arenado, George Springer, or even Buster Posey for that matter.
Gatekeepers on
June 27, 2018 11:21 AM
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You are missing my point. IT is not just about age but age, talent and price. I don't think it is fair to evaluate the trade and leave that out. Also you keep mentioning the money but avoiding my point that loans are necessary in making trade but because without them the owner talking in the money have to cut several players plus the talent he includes in the trade.
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The Arenado offer makes even less sense... he is an MVP level player who is doing incredibly well, and he's only 27. You are trading him away for Candelario (a 24 year old journeyman), and Burnes and Bichette... 2 ranked prospects with potential to be everyday players in a year or two. One could argue that getting two top 40 prospects back for a star would make sense (I wouldn't argue that, I think its crazy)... but the fact that you are paying 50 bucks too is what tips the scales.
Gatekeepers on
June 27, 2018 11:09 AM
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Some of the offers were awfully low. So I put together deals I though that would get me the best future talent. In March Baseball America came out with its top 100. Bo Bichette was rated #8 , Burnes #74 and Candelario at $1 is a great price for one of the best young hitters in MLB. Add on Velasquez, Olson, Smith, Verdugo and Swanson and I got a lot of low price talent for next year and you all had a change to get Springer and Arenado.
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The George Springer trade is hardly a youth injection. It sends an All Star caliber OF who is 28 in exchange for Dominic Smith (23), Vincent Velasquez (26), and Matt Chapman (25). The youngest player in this trio is only 5 years younger than Springer, and will probably never play a full season in the majors. Velasquez and Chapman are barely younger than Springer and are middle or the rotation or bit players. The fact that you also PAID to make this trade adds to the strangeness.
Gatekeepers on
June 27, 2018 11:02 AM
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I don't really understand that logic either. You did overpay for a number of players in the draft and they had bad contracts... but not badly. Even so, a bad contract for an all-star or MVP caliber player is better for you next year than a AA player with no guarantee of a major league spot.
Gatekeepers on
June 27, 2018 10:57 AM
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I posted on the board that I am looking for young good players with good contracts for NEXT year. Look I am at 3-9 and can't win. I opened it up to everyone. IMO, I got a lot of good young players for NEXT year. " . "As far as the salary and the loans go. If the loans are not involved for players costing $39 and $53 the trades just don't get done because the owner receiving the high salary not only gives players as part of the deal but maybe has to cut some good players to afford th
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Its also like you trade peanuts for a guy with a 50 salary and you just get a 50 loan back to make it possible? I dunno, I feel if you are going to take on the 50 dollar salary there should be some cuts involved, or space to do so. Just seems odd on the surface. But hey, I will continue living my life either way. Love y'all.
Captain TBD on
June 27, 2018 10:13 AM
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The trades are iffy for sure. Allen deal is fine. The Springer deal with his 39 salary is a bit unfair, the Arenado one as well. Im not a fan of vetoing trades generally bc you never know, any player can break out and make a deal fair short and long term. An explanation would be nice. But these are indeed a bit borderline. I leave it up to the Commish.
Captain TBD on
June 27, 2018 10:12 AM
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Yeah I'm with you. If we get a reasonable explanation then I'm good with it obviously. But on the surface it's a little baffling.
Buggy Whip on
June 27, 2018 9:55 AM
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Can I get some feedback from other managers? Even if it goes through in the next hour or so, I'm still able to reverse it. I think an actual discussion is required here, and an explanation as to how this trade makes sense (for Aaron's Hammers... I know it makes sense for Freak a Zoid obviously haha)
Gatekeepers on
June 27, 2018 9:51 AM
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There isn't any issue with trading Nolan Arenado for prospects... but the trade would need to make some sort of sense either in the return or the cap space being freed up. This trade is unbalanced to the point of absurdity, and would throw the entire league out of whack in my opinion.
Gatekeepers on
June 27, 2018 9:47 AM
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The earlier trades were borderline acceptable (I'm still iffy on them)... but the Nolan trade is ridiculous, so I've personally veto'd it. It doesn't even make sense from a budgetary standpoint.
Gatekeepers on
June 27, 2018 9:43 AM
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I’ve made a couple of trades trading prospects in a fire sale. Not particular approving of the Nolan trade but we all have an opportunity to make an offer. In my past leagues, there was an option to allow or not allow a fire sale. If allowed, it was required to post the intent.
Maybe we should adopt that?
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Are you still in the hunt?Possey, McCutchen and others still available. Make me an offer.
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Freak-a-Zoids's trade block has been updated!
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Freak-a-Zoids's trade block has been updated!
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FIRE SALE. I am looking for young good players with good contracts. Only a good offer gett Arenado. I could keep him.
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Aaron's Hammers's trade block has been updated!
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I just watched Nelson Cruz BLAST a homer over the Green Monster to knock out S. Wright sticking him with a ... -40.23pts outing!! Ouch!
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Malbecians's trade block has been updated!
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