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... I sold BIG names, high priced guys I had no intention of keeping into my contention window, in the first month of the season for a BIG return of near to the majors prospects. It was a strategy that was not popular, but made my team better in the long run.
Loco Canuck on
May 9, 2024 12:23 AM
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As for the timing...early in the season. This doesn't raise any flags for me. I have used this specific strategy in a rebuild. I knew I had little chance to compete for a title in the first year of taking over a team. I bought a couple of high priced stars at auction, that were not enough for me to contend, with the sole intent to sell them as soon as a big injury hit a contending team....
Loco Canuck on
May 9, 2024 12:22 AM
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My take...just to add on. I have played Ottoneu since near the beginning, & I have seen this type of trade a hundred times...been on both sides of making them. This is not a haul I would look for, but I haven't done a deep dive on the return. There are certain prospects that I know well, and am certain that I value WAY higher than some..it is baked into this pie. Everyone has a vote, & I urge them to vote their conscience..but..vetos are meant for evidence of collusion, not a dea
Loco Canuck on
May 9, 2024 12:18 AM
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Gallan is 28 and a top tier SP.......the two pitching prospects that he had to have.....one is projected to be a mid rotation starter and the other has pitched in two years and had TJ in 2023. Sorry but this trade impacts the league and ruins the integrity of the league, esp. given how early in the season it is.
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Sure, I would've loved to get a chance to to match the offer. But fact of the matter is KP saw an offer he liked and made a deal. My loss. If you think something illegal happened, then you gotta do what you gotta do. But this league has been around for a while, and I like to think that even when we disagree, the action is above-board and cooler heads end up prevailing. I prefer not to set a precedent where we veto trades that aren't illegal or that don't fundamentally harm the league.
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I looked back at the leagues trades over the last few years.....I couldn't find one trade that including a top tier player for prospects this early in the season
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if "you just know" then why not advertise that you are giving up on the year.....get more offers and the best deal possible.
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Yeah, it's a little early, but some years you just know. Full disclosure before (and honestly after) the Yamamoto deal we were putting together offers for Gallen as well. No offense to KP, but he didn't have to advertise to us that he was a prime candidate to sell.
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Thanks, I understand how Ottoneu works. You can't have teams dumping top tier SPs this early in the season for prospects only. And the fact that the SP was not advertised as available is problematic and possibly illegal (they will never say if they colluded).
I have played in dynasty/keeps leagues for years....never seen a team dump a top tier player for prospects 30 games into the season.
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As for the $$$, that's how loans work and why they exist. The loaner isn't paying the other manager a bunch of money, they're loaning money to float the soft cap number this year. The cost is you lose cost-controllable guys and then have to make way more cuts in the offseason. FWIW a quick primer: https://fantasy.fangraphs.com/ottoneu-101-how-loans-work-in-ottoneu/.
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Again, not my favorite trade, but certainly not a "quit the league" trade.
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We won't be voting to veto the trade. Listen, I don't think it's a great trade. We like Jobe as much as the next guy, but it still feels light. That being said, I absolutely don't think it rises to the level of problematic or illegal. Conceptually, it is a pretty standard currently value for future value Ottoneu trade. You can scroll back into the history of this league and it's not too hard to find similar moves. Or look at recent trades involving Gallen and/or Jobe across the Ottoneu platform.
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Most prospects don't do anything in the majors. About 70% of Baseball America top 100 prospects fail and 60% of top 20 pitchers fail. People over value prospects but that is their choice. But I have a problem with a team dumping a top tier SP for three prospects so early in the season (about 20% of the season played). A Team dumping players this early in the season ruins the integrity of the league.
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Thanks CMC, my last comment was posted before I read yours, so not directed your way. I’ll step back and make space for any other folks who want to weigh in, I’ve said my piece.
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In case my message wasn't clear, I don't have a problem with the trade.
CMC on
May 8, 2024 8:52 PM
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It’s the two top minor league pitching prospects. I feel insane even having to defend this - y’all think a trade should be veto’d bc you don’t like it? Not bc you think there’s some collusion or something but simply bc you don’t think it’s a good trade? That’s bush league. What are even doing here if we can’t make honest trades w each other for fear that other owners might rage quit?
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I wouldn't do the trade, but I don't see it as out of the realm of an ottoneu trade. It's a top SP, a platoon bat and a closer with an Era over 9.00 for 3 top 25 prospects.
CMC on
May 8, 2024 7:46 PM
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If this trade goes through I’ll be abandoning my team immediately
rotoball10 on
May 8, 2024 7:32 PM
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I’m totally open to other opinions, but I don’t think that trade is at all unfair. Honest question, are you new to Ottoneu? There’s huge value in getting cheap cost controlled top prospects who are likely to play in next season and I’m clearly giving up that potential future value for going for it all now. It’s a pretty standard Otto trade to me and there’s no collusion or foul play here. Commish?
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If that trade goes through I am quitting this league. Will drop all my players.
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three major league starters for AA players....what a joke! And Kay is loan a ton of money.
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Commish you need to veto that trade
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WTF....how is that trade even close to being fair.
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I'M WEARING MY LUCKY DRAFT UNDERWEARS YESSSSSSSS
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Draft Day!
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I am going with Tuesday March 19th at 9:30 PM Eastern...until I hear differently
Loco Canuck on
February 9, 2024 9:49 AM
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19th if after 9 pm EST, 20th would be better
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The 19th works for us as well (as long as its 8pm EST or later).
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That should work for me. Thanks
Hamdingers on
February 8, 2024 12:49 PM
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March 19th is fine by me.
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19th??
Loco Canuck on
February 8, 2024 12:36 PM
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The 13th and the 16th are the two days that don't work for me.
Hamdingers on
February 8, 2024 12:34 PM
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Sorry but the 13th does not work for me.
Hamdingers on
February 8, 2024 12:33 PM
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I have auctions on the 12th and 14th...the 13th would work for me as long as it stays at 9:00 PM Eastern. My curling team has a playoff game at 5:30 pm...yes I am Canadian :-). I'll make the change and hope it doesn't create more conflicts. Wednesday March 13th @ 9PM EST...who says no?
Loco Canuck on
February 8, 2024 12:10 PM
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I have auctions on the 12th and 14th...the 13th would work for me as long as it stays at 9:00 PM Eastern. My curling team has a playoff game at 5:30 pm...yes I am Canadian :-). I'll make the change and hope it doesn't create more conflicts. Wednesday March 13th @ 9PM EST...who says no?
Loco Canuck on
February 8, 2024 12:10 PM
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We're fine with any of those other nights as well. If its a weeknight and after 8pm, we're in.
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any chance of the 12th, 13th, or 14th?
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3/11 at 9pm works great for us.
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Good for me
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that would work for me but I suppose that's moot now unless the tour gets canceled ◕_◕
Masebot33 on
February 6, 2024 8:52 PM
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I spoke too soon - I have tix to a concert that night, but any other night that work would be great. Sorry!!
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March 11 at 9 pm works for me!
Two Doubles on
February 6, 2024 11:14 AM
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I can make just about any date work, so works for me.
CMC on
February 6, 2024 10:50 AM
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It should work for me.
Hamdingers on
February 6, 2024 10:30 AM
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My wife is on a work trip that week, so that would work PERFECT for me.
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Thinking about Auction dates...I have never found much luck doing Doodles or the like. I like to suggest dates and cross my fingers...how about Monday March 11th at 9 PM EST?? I am commish in 4 leagues...if you are in my other leagues...look for messages like this today.
Loco Canuck on
February 6, 2024 10:26 AM
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when do we draft?
Masebot33 on
February 4, 2024 6:53 PM
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Welcome to the league Jason.
Hamdingers on
January 23, 2024 6:30 AM
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Welcome to the league and a speedy recovery to you
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Ha! At home recovering from knee surgery and thought "you know, I should try a 5x5 Ottoneu league, since I'm stuck on the couch anyway..." and here we are! My name is Jesse - 2nd year playing Ottoneu, really enjoying it. A Twins fan in the real world. Excited to play with y'all!
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