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Ahh, I misunderstood ya Choo. I thought you “commish cancelled” the trade, I didn’t realize you just voted to veto. Fair enough, I can respect that. Ya I see the Rafaela upside, he’s had flashes-it’s somewhere in there. At the end of the day it’s great to see guys moving. That being said, when any of you realize how much better your team is with Willson Contreras, I’m all ears…
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Good to have one of these once in awhile just to remind us that most of us do pay attention on a daily basis!
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On the positive side, over half of the league has weighed in on this thread. Active!
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No ripping on Hoerner. I get 5-6 trade offers for him every year. You guys love him.
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You really can't complain about this trade if you are Ok with a 1 for 1 deal where the prospect involved probably won't play for 2 more seasons. We are bleeding 1-2 players a year in this league and bad faith trades do not help.
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Next year Nico Hoerner is going to lose SS eligibility and Rafaela is going to only have OF. Nico Hoerner has also been 4.5 ppg ish the last 2 years. I don't see the upside when Saul isn't getting any younger and he is losing Middle infield eligibility in the deal. Luzardo and Garcia are very underpriced for their ppg. In my opinion Luzardo and Garcia have more upside than Hoerner and Rafaela.
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If anyone would like to be the Commish of this league I am more than happy to step down. I took over for my buddy that set up the league. As Commish I don't have any control over the competitive balance in the league. I'm an individual owner playing by the same rules as everyone else.
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You all shouldn't be mad at me you should be mad at the guys that are accepting the trades that you think are so bad. It takes two to tango.
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So this wasn’t voted on, it was just vetoed.
Because Billy clearly gets the better players.
When less than a week ago you traded a single A player for the 5th best pitcher in MLB?!
Yeah I’m all about competition but I can’t compete with that.
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As the commissioner and champ, I encourage you to make this league as competitive as possible for the rest of us.
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Choo, the point here is that both managers are taking a risk, but there’s not a massive points difference now or in the future. However, it’s hard to swallow your recent Fried, Ramirez, and even your Judge/Cole trade from a couple of years ago. I get that you’ve figured out the strategy of trading prospects for established talent. But, all of those players demand a boatload of prospects, which you haven’t really given up. JRod for Judge/Cole is not a fair trade.
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I see this trade as evenish. Sure, Garcia and Luzardo are currently outperforming Rafaella and Hoerner. But Garcia has never had this good of a year before, not even close. So that’s a gamble on my part, long term. Luzardo has never had a year this good, either. It does help to pitch in the NL, though. Rafaella is the real question mark here. Massive upside, but hasn’t put it all together. Hoerner is the steadiest one here, plays all MI, and I’m losing him.
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I’m not seeing how Billy’s clearly getting the best two players. Garcia is cheaper and putting up more than a point per game than either of the other two position players and Luzardo is at 5.3ish per inning. Doesn’t seem lopsided enough to veto to me.
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I can't speak for Billy Beane's Brood, but from my perspective it's giving up something this year to better position my team next year and the year after that. You're free to Veto the trade if you see fit, but I'm going into this trade with clear eyes.
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I haven't Vetoed a trade in a long time but I vetoed this one. Billy is easily getting the two best players and saving two dollars in current salary. I don't see how Saul benefits from this deal. What am I missing?
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The team I inherited....I wasn't very fond of....and so my main objective has been to be comfortable in last place, and gather cheap prospects. 90% of your guys trade offers to me are very one sided so this trade offer is no worse than anyone else's. Fried is 31, might be 5th in points but is 10th in points per inning, and pitched more than half his normal season. He'll be over $30 at the end of the year, which clears more cap space this off-season. And Hope still has....hope.....down the road.
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I’m guessing Hope will be top 20, maybe top 15 when the relist everyone post draft.
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I get it's all subjective but 5th best pitcher in the league for the #52 prospect seems pretty unbalanced. Just my two cents
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Of course that should say “doesn’t”; stupid typo
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Only reason I would veto it is because I want Hope. Seems pretty fair to me. Fried has been super good and the last place team flipping a stud SP who likely isn’t a longterm piece for them (and is likely having his peak year) for a hyped prospect does send up any red flags for me.
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So everyone is hammering the "VETO" button on this Max Fried trade, right?
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I can do both. Thanks Choo
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Be curious not judgmental
https://www.bing.com/videos/riverview/relatedvideo?q=be+curious+not+judgemental&mid=2FF99B0378E433B8761E2FF99B0378E433B8761E&FORM=VIRE&adlt=strict
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https://fantasy.fangraphs.com/category/ottoneu/
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https://fantasy.fangraphs.com/ottoneu-201-maximizing-salary-cap-space/
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https://fantasy.fangraphs.com/ottoneu-tips-tricks/
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Agreed. I get the strategy. I’ve done it myself a few times. But it is super annoying.
Same’s true of waiting 30 days, starting an auction for a player you dropped and then dropping him immediately after to minimize your cap hit….not against the rules, but tacky and annoying. I know most of us have done it, but doing it every time seems excessive.
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Dear Choo – Please stop bidding $1 for players you don't really want and who know you can't win just so those of us who actually want the player must pay $2. Like the crappy early season trades where others are loaning you cash to win you the Championship on May 1, it's within the rules, but it's not fair play. – Signed, Managers Who Just Wanna Have Fun
El Encanto on
May 5, 2025 5:36 PM
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I need a MI or 3B my guys are on the shelf and I can’t win an auction. Anyone looking to move a 2B SS or 3B send me an offer. I’m not looking to make a big splash, just a scenery change but I’m open to all offers. Act now, hoping to have a handshake by the end of the day to fill the gap this week. Thx
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I agree Flama. You can’t look at numbers alone. Consistency over seasons is a much better predictor of value. At least for the top players. Ramirez is one of them. I look forward to seeing the trade restructured.
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Nah, the point is it seems you have dug deep enough convince yourself this is fair.
It’s really not. Kudos on building a solid team, without this trade it’s going to be hard to stop you. But I mean come on; look at the names in that trade again. If it’s not vetoed so be it, but in fairness of competition, I also hope this can be restructured.
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Alright...sounds like this got people excited. Cancelling that "controversial" trade, but I am open to offers for Ramirez. Feel free to submit an offer of your own. Would like some younger talent in return, but not too raw that they would be estimated >1 yr from the bigs. Would like to make a deal in the next 5 days or so. Thanks!
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With the power vested in me by the fact that I am the commish of the league I have canceled the accepted trade between Choo and Sweet Spot. I will be sending a revised trade for Ramirez. If you would like to acquire him, you should send an offer. Sweet Spot will continue to act in his best interest and accept, decline, or counteroffer trades for Ramirez or any of his other guys to give their team the best chance to be successful now and forever more.
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If you're not winning in '25 then one could argue that Soderstrom at $5 is a better keeper than Judge at $56. Salaries matter.
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Ya and Soderstrom is better than Judge.
Definitely.
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One could argue that Freeman at 5.97 this year and 7.13 average his last 3 is better than Ramirez 5.81 this year and 6.46 avg over the last 3.
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Cortes and De la Cruz are not young and not very good so they can't be the issue. Is a $17 Steer the issue? Is it because I won last year and in first place again the issue? Is it because I thought to put in an offer for Ramirez before you did the issue? What are people's suggestions to tweak the deal to make it better?
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Not sure how much different this deal is than the Freeman deal that just went through. Bart is 5.34 p/g this year and was 4.5 last year at $1 compared to O'Hoppe at 5.32 this year and 3.95 last year at $6. Vientos age 25 started cold but is 5.21 in his last 9 starts and 5.66 last year at $9. Profar is $6 and was 5.84 last year (only played 4 games this year but will be back before the end of the year). Sykora is a top 100 prospect for $1. Do those 3 and Conforto equal Flaherty and Manzardo?
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Ooof, didn’t realize it was possible to win the championship in April. Congrats Choo. They said this was like managing a real team… this must be what I feels like to be vs LAD. If anyone else wants to mail it in, feel free to send your packages this way.
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Agreed, that seems super lopsided.
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Choo, this is a one-sided trade that skews the power balance even further in our league. It’s not enough of a prospect haul in my opinion, since Sweet Spot is also giving up young players. I encourage you to rework it.
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https://www.thebaseballcube.com/content/newspaper/?ref=cupofcoffeenews.com
Thought y’all might enjoy this. It’s like what we used to see daily in the actual newspaper!
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Saul and I have been in since the beginning. I think that is it but if I could be missing someone too. I can't believe this is year 14. Crazy.
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This will be year 10 for me. 10 years of chasing Choo. I’m just getting warmed up!
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Wait, 14yrs. Still…
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I was just thinking….is this really year 15 for this league? Who all is left from that first year? I remember the first year because I was super drunk at the draft and out bid someone for Mike Carp because I knew there was a good young player with a fish for a last name.
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2 days until the auction. Let's do this thing!
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Thank you all for re-upping for another season. I think 2025 is going to be a real battle. Good luck to all. Friendly reminder that today is the cut/keeper/trade deadline. By 11:59 pm eastern your team needs to be at or below 40 players and at or below $400.
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Another friendly reminder to extend your dynasty (pay $20 for your team for 2025) by January 31st. You don't want to lose your team by missing this deadline.
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I agree. I am loving all of this trading action! It makes this league a whole lot more fun to watch all of you improve your teams.
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